Talk:Deep Adaptation

Potential sources

 * Professor Sees Climate Mayhem Lurking Behind Covid-19 Outbreak (Bloomberg March 2020)
 * The End of the Line – A Climate in Crisis (Counterpunch, August 2018)
 * Multiple articles via tag (Blog by Jeremy Lent, actually, this wiki article looks like a notability issue)
 * Climate Psychology Alliance talk (February 2019 speaking notice; unclear weight)
 * Patreon link (for what it's worth...)

Jlevi (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * No flights, a four-day week and living off-grid: what climate scientists do at home to save the planet (The Guardian, June 2019)
 * Extinction Rebellion Is Creating a New Narrative of the Climate Crisis (NYT, 2019)

Jlevi (talk) 01:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Jlevi (talk) 13:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Citizenship and Sustainability in Organizations (2021 book)
 * The Anthropocene Disruption by Robert William Sandford (2019)
 * Urban Awakenings: Disturbance and Enchantment in the Industrial City by samuel Alexander, Brendan Gleeson (2021)

--JulienLecaille (talk) July 2021 (UTC)
 * How to cope with the climate apocalypse (Financial Times July 2021)
 * Yoga to become a prescription choice for post-covid-19 well-being ( Construction Week Online India June 2021)
 * Blog review of Deep Adaptation Book (on Global Discourse blog, July 2021)
 * Group Facilitation on Societal Disruption and Collapse: Insights from Deep Adaptation (sustainability, special issue System-wide Disruption of Organisations for Sustainability, June 2021)
 * Deep Adaptation: Navigating the Realities of Climate Chaos (June 2021 Polity)


 * Review of How Everything Can Collapse: A Manual for our Times (Wiley 2020)

--JulienLecaille (talk) 06:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

NPOV dispute [-Introduction]
"Deep Adaptation is a scientific, philosophical, and spiritual framework for responding to the impact of climate change and anthropogenic influence on the natural environment. The concept of "Deep Adaptation" purports that humanity needs to prepare for the possibility of fundamental societal collapse, as global warming and extreme weather events increasingly disrupt social, economic, and political systems. Unlike climate change adaptation, which aims to adapt societies gradually to the effects of climate change, Deep Adaptation is premised on accepting abrupt transformation of the environment as critical starting point for making decisions today."

The current introduction reads like a marketing blurb from the movement's followers that doesn't say anything about the paper it originated from, who wrote the paper, or the response from the scientific community. Shouldn't the Introduction focus on giving these facts? In addition, I also take issue with including this statement in the Reception section: "First and foremost, Deep Adaptation is robust and motivating science because it is not a single research paper but a new movement of both scholars and activists from around the world." This is not a logically sound statement, and damages the credibility of the article. The Legend of Miyamoto (talk) 03:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Update the page
Proposal: To begin with, a new outline structure for the Deep Adaptation page, see below.

Rationale: The old structure was appropriate when Deep Adaptation and the paper were new. Now that the concept is a few years old and a revised paper has been issued, an additional section is needed to allow differentiation between the original paper and its reception, and the evolution of the concept and related publications (including a compendium entitled “Deep Adaptation” published in May 2021). The focus also needs to shift from personal information about Bendell. Existing sections can be abridged so the final version can be not much longer than the original.


 * 1 Origins


 * 1.1 Content of original paper


 * 3 1.2 Reception of original paper and response


 * 2 1.3 Emergence of a broader movement


 * 2 Deep Adaptation


 * 2.1 The Deep Adaptation concept


 * 2.2 The Deep Adaptation movement


 * 2.3 Deep Adaptation and evolving conversations about ecological and societal threats


 * 3 Reception (move to 1.2)


 * 3.1 From the scientific community


 * 3.2 From general audiences


 * 3.3 Notable responses by Bendell

Artemisia-californica (talk) 03:51, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Seeing no objections, I will slowly start releasing edited sections to this space as they are ready.

Artemisia-californica (talk) 04:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Major edit of Deep Adaptation WP page
Please see the major edit draft here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Artemisia-californica/sandbox

Why? The current article:
 * Is out of date-- much new material is not addressed.
 * Overquotes-- I understand that is a way to avoid interpretation but its effect is to make the article read like a sensational tabloid. Instead I have done a lot of close paraphrasing.
 * Does not differentiate scientific concerns about the article from ethical concerns-- an important distinction.
 * Spends too much time on the paper and Jem Bendell (and why he didn't publish the paper) and not enough on the DA concept and its impact.

Please comment and correct as you see fit in this space. Thank you!.

Artemisia-californica (talk) 15:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The major edit is now on the live page. Corrections appreciated, questions of tone and inclusion I respectfully request we talk.

Artemisia-californica (talk) 13:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Resolving weasel
Artemisia-californica (talk) 01:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * with respect to you, I believe that the use of "several scientists" is not weasel because of context. Five scientists are named in the same paragraph, including this next sentence: "Climatologist Michael Mann was scathing in his assessments of Bendell’s scientific conclusions, and Gavin Schmidt, head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, asserted that previous climate trends of gradual change would continue." Do you still think it is weasel? If so, please consider that you may not have WP:NPOV. I would like to undo your flag as the cleanest remedy. Otherwise I will delete that tagged sentence.

Done, or undone to be precise. Artemisia-californica (talk) 23:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

PLEASE REMOVE ITALICS FROM THE NAME OF THIS WIKI PAGE
I am in the midst of updating and improving the wikipedia page Jem Bendell and discovered that when one does a search on wikipedia for Deep Adaptation nothing comes up. And yet it does exist as an intact wikipedia page. I think the problem is that the name of the page is italicized: Deep adaptation. So if somebody could remove the italics, that would be great. I imagine it was italicized to begin with, as it originated as the title of a 2018 paper by Jem Bendell. But this is 2023 and it is now a movement and a concept widely used in sustainability literature and in the field of societal collapse and collapsology. Cbarlow (talk) 14:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not the problem; in the lead of your article I removed the wikilink because you are trying to link the concept--which is not the book. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, things are clearer to me now. The italics were incorrect; I don't know what caused the error you saw, but it works now, at least in the lead of that article. Drmies (talk) 16:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)