Talk:Defense of Van (1896)

Comments
Possibly doubious sources, and discriminatory selection of facts. Improved grammar, added some formatting, and added a verifiable source. Hetoum 03:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

What is this "Armenians, with several hundred men"
The article mentions about "Armenians, with several hundred men". I was wondering if they belong to an organization. If they do not belong to an organization, can we name them as a gang? Also article talks about "Armenian Fedayee group conducted the Khanasor Expedition." Did these people belong to same organization which defended the Van? The last point was on "Ottoman troops and Kurdish tribesmen" were these troops in the article were "Hamidieh soldiers"? I would appricate if someone answer these questions thanks. --OttomanReference 02:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

hmm, you seem to be hostile to something said. Why not say what you have in mind. Hetoum 03:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have nothing in mind. Just trying to improve the article. Lets concentrate on the topic. I saw your home page, and you claim that you develop (want to) this article. That is fine. Please, if you search the answers of these questions, I would appreciate. I spend some time. Let me give you some pointers. For some reason, there are a lot of French analysis about these events. Basicly for the period. There are some personal histories which belongs to people being in the area. And not in the capital generating documents about events even they do not witness. I'm hoping you will add some facts, names, dates, that I will learn and enjoy. By the way Balkanian references ((which you are constantly using)) are secondary. He is not a major historian, not even a historian. Please Using the citations refer to what he is presenting. This way, we can check the original documents and get a better understanding. Such as for this period if balkanian probably acquiring from the same documents that I was talking about. Thanks. --OttomanReference 03:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm really not understanding what you mean by using question for communication, I am confused. If you know answers to your questions please tell me, I am not understating where you are going with this. Also, who is the Balkanian you refer to, I did not cite any Balkanian. Hetoum 04:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not about my or your citations. It is about truth. Your edit remarks have become personal, which by the way following a person is not nice. I understand that you believe things very sincerely and anything works around your belief is questionable for you. However, I thought you are sincere and if you read with an open mind (constantly ask questions, who whom where what fallows); we might come to same conclusions. And you might stop following and reverting my text. Sorry Balkanian should be spelled as Balakian. OttomanReference 04:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm still losing you ever more. You were talking about Balakian or Balkanian one moment and something else another personal edit marks. Balakian as a source is fine, so no need to go through this on this talk page again. If you have any direct issue please deal with them directly and clearly, you are making this unnecessarily difficult for my person. Hetoum 04:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

First Van Revolt in Turkish sources, Turkish:Birinci Van İsyanı
please explain why you change.--85.100.42.44 (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

In Turkish:
 * 1896 "Birinci Van İsyanı" -Llc 5 results
 * 1896 "Van İsyanı" -Birinci 21 results
 * 1896 "Van Ayaklanması" -Llc 9 results
 * 1896 "Van olayları" -Llc 3 results
 * 1896 "Van Direnişi" -Llc 1 result

In English:
 * 1896 "Defense of Van" -Llc 25 results
 * 1896 "Van Rebellion" -Llc 10 results
 * 1896 "Van Revolt" -Llc 4 results

Yani Birinci Van İsyanı is not common name even in Turkish :) Takabeg (talk) 10:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Defense?
Yeah when Turks self defense their territory "genocide" when Armenians revolt "self defense" too sided Tarik289 (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Article name change
Van is a region within the Ottoman lands. So this is more of an rebellion than a defense. The name of the article needs to be changed.Even in the current situation, there is a great disconnect between the article's content and its title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullstackdev (talk • contribs) 08:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)