Talk:Defiant

Elaborate please
Editor ShelfSkewed recently reverted an edit that used the template to format the link to USS Defiant (YT-804) with this edit summary:
 * untemplate entry--not useful on dab pages as it "hides" the link from some editing tools

Editor ShelfSkewed, can you please elaborate? The disambiguation MOS specifically alludes to the use of this kind of template to properly format ship names. There is no mention of link "hiding" (not really sure what you mean by that) in the MOS, nor in the template's documentation. Can you elaborate and provide supporting documentation showing how the template isn't useful on disambiguation pages?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The templates are a convenience to ensure proper formatting, but they are not obligatory and they should be used subst'ed to create an actual link. The reason for this, as I intended to explain (obviously too briefly; my apologies) in my edit summary, is that entries that remain templated are not accessible to some editing tools used by editors who disambiguate links to dab pages. The tool I use, for example, is Popups. When I encounter an ambiguous link, Popups accesses the dab page and offers me a choice of the links listed there. But the tool can't interpret an entry in a template, so that choice is unavailable. I understand that these templates are quite useful in articles, both for their convenience and to insure a uniform and correct display. But they have the potential to be counterproductive when used unsubst'ed on dab pages, and if someone (in this case, me) is willing to take the time to create a direct link, properly formatted, there is no reason, I think, to insist on the template.-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  04:27, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. I think that this conversation should be taken to MOS/dab talk because what you've written seems to me to impact the content of the MOS/dab piping portions of that guideline document. The WP:DPL and WP:SHIPS communities should also be made aware of this issue.  To that end I have copied the above conversation to Talk: MOS/dab Use of [[USS undefined|USS undefined and similar templates on disambiguation pages]] along with my position.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)