Talk:Definitions of whiteness in the United States

Sicilians as non-white
The article claims that Sicilians were required to check off "Southern Italian," as opposed to "white." I don't care what the source article says; this is obviously incorrect. A quick check of the Ellis Island website will show ship's passenger lists from the early 1900s with every "race" under the sun, from "Southern Italian" to "Hebrew" to "German" to "Irish" to, yes, "English." It was not an either/or. 2601:246:4000:99F0:6498:E347:F78C:E267 (talk) 04:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * What is said here is correct. I can provide primary sources of Ellis Island entry forms collaborating that English people were put as "English", Jewish people from England were put as "Hebrew", and Italians were put as either "Northern Italian" and "Southern Italian".  Did not find an entry form log that showed anyone identified "White" under the "race or people" question.  Also, the source for this is an essay that provides nothing additional to substantiate the claim. Truthington (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

American Jews
This page is persistently edited to classify all American Jews as "Middle Eastern". This is false, as European Jews have a different history of racial classification in the United States compared to MENA Jews. It is inappropriate to use Wikipedia to promote fringe race science theories and it erases the specificity of the MENA Jewish experience of racialization under US law and in the US census. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree that Jews do not necessarily fit under Middle Eastern -- some Jews are European descent, some Middle Eastern descent, and there are others as well (e.g., African). so I will edit the heading accordingly and put Jews into its own category. ProfGray (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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