Talk:Degania Dam

Hi. Either the Degania dam mentioned at the end of the "History" paragraph at Naharayim regarding the 1948 war is not a dam, but Pinhas Rutenberg's sluices at the road bridge crossing the Jordan at a point between Sea of Galilee and Degania, or the date (1964) given in this article is incorrect. Rutenberg's water control system was in place by 1932, maybe this dam is a later addition to the existing floodgates, I don't know. Either way, one of the two articles needs fixing. Would you know which? Thanks, Arminden (talk) 09:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 09:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It was hard to come across information for this dam when I worked on the article. It is possible the current one is a rebuild of an old one located in the same or nearby spot.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Date of the Dam
The Dam at Degania was part of Rutenberg's scheme for Naharayim. The Naharayim plant relied on flow of water from Lake Kinneret which was regulated by the dam at Degania from 1932 onwards. The link below to 'Water in the Middle East: Cooperation and Technological Solutions in the ...edited by Karl David Hambright, F. J. Ragep, J. Ginat, explains technical detail of the effects of the dam on water levels in the Lake.

The Dam was opened on 15th May 1948 (Israel Independence day) to flood the Jordan and slow the invading Iraqi army.

It is likely that the dam was refurbished or rebuilt in the 1960s, since it is a critical part of Israel's national water infrastructure. 09:44, 8 May 2016 (UTC)82.1.208.188 (talk)David Cebon

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One or two dams?
So Rutenberg built the dam at the bridge (on its lakeside margin). That dam looks a bit like a sluice with two gates which can be seen if one looks underneath the bridge. A few dozen meters downstream is a concrete dam that is normally mostly submerged, right before the first baptism installation of Yardenit. It looks like a broad concrete wall (one can walk on it, some go fishing there) with two openings for the water. Is this also part of Rutenberg's installations? Some websites date the "Degania dam" in the 60s - maybe a mistake, maybe it's a confusion with this concrete installation which might be from the 60s. It looks like a regulating device, possibly meant to slow down waterflow right before Yardenit. Yardenit is from the 80s, so it's even more confusing. Does anyone have any answers? Cheers, Arminden (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

By the way, both structures are clearly visible on the current picture in the article. Arminden (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

What exactly happened in 1964?
If it was completed in the early 1930s by Rutenberg, and the gates were only fully opened once, in 2013, then what does "Opening date: 1964" mean? Or is it a copy-and-paste mistake?Arminden (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Now I see: it's a "ghost". This article claims that it was finished in 64, in the meantime the date was removed from the text, but not from the infobox. Arminden (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hebrew Wiki has the answer. Went, translated, got it, fixing mistake now. Arminden (talk) 20:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)