Talk:Deliverance (metal band)

Second Deliverance Band
I'd like to make an article about another Christian rock band named Deliverance. Any idea how best to name it? Thanks.-- E va   d  b  08:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the proper way is to distinct other Deliverance by it's genre - or alternatively by some other disctintive informal and self-explanatory attribute. You could ask Wiki gurus for the exact solution. Hiilidioksidi 00:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The "other" Deliverance can now be found Here.-- E va   b  d  23:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Former Members
Wanted to ask before an edit war happens.

This Brian Khairullah - Bass (1985-1989); has since renounced his faith and has unflattering things to say about his time in the band under former members, I just have to ask what does this have to do with Deliverance? I guess I understand the importance of the information for that particular person on their own page, but on the band page I don't understand as much. I guess I look at like Scott Douglas and Whiteheart, what he did had an impact on the band. This guy's renouncing of faith doesn't impact the band in any way. So are we going to start putting info on every former member on this page just because they don't have separate pages? And to add this has nothing with the fact that the guys gave up for faith. In fact I think this would better suited in a section in the christian metal main article about players who have renounced their faith, like Gary Lenaire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OfficialDoughboy (talk • contribs) 06:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It reflects on how well the core members screen the band members when they join. I would like to move it into the prozse section since it doesn't belong in the members section. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I see the point but you are bringing a new dimension that never existed before. What I mean is I never heard this criticism of the band before. Deliverance has always been criticized for their lyrics, dress, music and perceived copying of other bands (metallica in particular.) These are documented areas of criticism, because there never was a high level of sophistication to the attacks, they always came down to the simple. Parents (church parents) would condemn them on sound and dress, people who didn't like their christian side would say things like you can't mix metal and christianity because of the "rules" and claimed they copied other popular styles. I never heard someone delve into the area of challenging the individual faiths of the band. I would say there were people who questioned their faiths but not individually. Even Dial the Truth Ministries didn't have the time to go that deep.

So I guess what you are getting at is that all the bands should have have a table for their members section and have a where are they now section to address their faith? Again I don't think that serves an article on Deliverance but a separate section or article on the subject, one that would probably start with Roger Martinez in the christian metal side. But again his lost in faith didn't affect the band at the time of his involvement. Unless you are saying this is a Scott Douglas or Victor Macias (Tourniquet) matter. A member change that directly affected the bands course and history. 71.224.103.120 (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think a table is necessary. The fact that Khairullah has come out as vehemently as he has is the reason it's included here. Wikipedia policy is that non-notable members should be listed on the band's page. Also, as I said, it should be included as prose in the article, not next to the member's entry. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The change is exactly what I would have done if I had the time. Good work! --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I figured it was the best way to compromise. I'm going to add some more stuff let me know what you think. Specifically I'm thinking of adding a controversy section to deal with the the Saviour Machine fallout and putting some of the complaints about Jimmy there. http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/laudanum/622/article.html - Is what I'm talking about. OfficialDoughboy (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Members
Okay I don't know why but I'm on a mission to clean a lot of the page up, feel free to change something if you see something that is wrong.

So I looked at the members page and went to Deliverance's myspace page and went through the history and got the years for each member. I eliminated the honorary members section because I don't see a reason for it as I can't remember Jimmy mentioning this ever in an interview, please prove me wrong if he did :)

Also I'm wondering if I should include all the studio members who played on the albums. I found some info on other guys who played on albums but wasn't sure if they should be added because they were mainly guest musicians.

Any thoughts?OfficialDoughboy (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Other than 2010 being cut off it looks good. As for studio musicians, I don't know that I've seen that in with other bands, but it wouldn't hurt. The only thing is their time with the band would be a blip as opposed to a solid line. I have seen individual albums be marked with a vertical line. See Petra (band) and Delirious? for examples. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Working on it, I got the idea from Petra. I think for most christian bands a visual timeline of members is a must seeing as they have so much fluxuation. I'll have it done in a little bit.OfficialDoughboy (talk) 03:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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