Talk:Delmi Álvarez

Special period in Cuba
I'm not finding anything except blogs that references the subject's work in Cuba. Is there anyone who can possibly search Spanish-language or Cuban sources for this? I'm comfortable with a very short mention of it without significant coverage, but I'd like to find some mention in reliable sources. --valereee (talk) 13:56, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

1. In diario www.granma.cu they published a double page of photos about the subject's work. Circa between 1990-91. 2. Winner in Fotopres La Caixa, with documentary photo project "Cuba el último bastión, la lucha de un pueblo". (La Caixa, Barcelona 1993) No data record in la Caixa Fotopres. 3. Diccionario de fotógrafos españoles: The A=Z Spanish photographers (Mention about Cuba work in pages 18-19) https://issuu.com/bintphotobooks/docs/diccionario_digital_eng_3 4. Lunwerg editores published a book of Fotopres 1993 with a cover in black and white of the subject's work and several pages with photographs of the project in Cuba. 5. Cover catalogue Fotopres 1993, La Caixa, Barcelona. Lunwerg editores: https://www.todocoleccion.net/libros-segunda-mano-diseno-fotografia/fotopres-93-caixa-177pp~x75019527#sobre_el_lote

Rokomoko2019 (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , thank you for those. There are several different kinds of sources you've provide here. One kind, which includes the A-Z Spanish Photographers book, is the kind we can use. It's an unaffilliated source writing ABOUT you. Another kind, like the award, we can use. The others appear to be publications of your work, which unless they also discuss you, we can't use.
 * What we need are sources discussing your work. Not publishing your work, discussing it. I can't assess #1, but it looks like publication of your work rather than discussion. #2 is an award; we can use this, and I believe it was referenced in the A-Z book. #3, the A-Z, we can use. #4 I also can't assess because I can't see it, but it appears to be publication of your work, but not discussion of it, so we can't use. #5 ditto, it proves the exhibition took place, but not that anyone was discussing it as far as I can see.
 * I know this is all difficult to understand. What Wikipedia reports on is other people who are discussing your work at length in reliable sources. Those are the only things we include in an article.
 * So for future: Articles about you in books, newspapers and magazines -- not simply publishing your work, but discussing it -- are what we are looking for. --valereee (talk) 18:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I know this is all difficult to understand. What Wikipedia reports on is other people who are discussing your work at length in reliable sources. Those are the only things we include in an article.
 * So for future: Articles about you in books, newspapers and magazines -- not simply publishing your work, but discussing it -- are what we are looking for. --valereee (talk) 18:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So for future: Articles about you in books, newspapers and magazines -- not simply publishing your work, but discussing it -- are what we are looking for. --valereee (talk) 18:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@valereee, Thanks.

Rokomoko2019 (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Valereee, I just saw this now, I'm not involved with Wikpipedia and really don't care about that page about me or my career. Thank you and have a good time.

Rokomoko2019 (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

today's work
Article is still in extremely rough shape, but it's no longer an autobiography. I hated to lose the photos so have left them; maybe galleries? --valereee (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Commons pages
For reference to those editing this article: Eman 235 / talk  22:37, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * c:Category:Delmi Álvarez (pictures of or about Álvarez)
 * c:Category:Photographs by Delmi Álvarez (photographs he took)
 * Photographs by Delmi Álvarez (gallery of his photographs in approximately chronological order)

Fixing errors after "chop and burn" former text
My will is cooperate with Wikipedia contributors/editors to fix the errors after the called "chop and burn" action. In a very fast reading I found a few errors that are not connected with the previous and next text, here is one:

1. "In the summer of 1991, having recently arrived from Cuba, he went on assignment for a Galician newspaper covering the conflict between Serbia and Croatia, sharing journeys with journalist working Julio Fuentes [es]. Until 1993 he covered the war, working writing and documenting for various media, sending chronicles and images from the frontline around Croatia and the sieges of Vukovar and Sarajevo. This experience covering a war conflict published in a book about personal experiences as a journalist and with the mission of being a document on the need to work for peace and explain new generations to unlearn the war.

One of the most terrify stories was the hangars of Velepromet was a temporary concentration camp after the fall of Vukovar. In this Serbian concentration camp around 10,000 people were detained, including women and children.[15]Records and witnesses said soldiers committed rape against women and children, and many civilians were shot and murdered.

After had been diagnosed Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Alvarez decided back to Croatia in 2013 Delmi Alvarez with a colleague Wiktor Dabkowsky. They began producing a documentary with the support and approval of the Suncica-Sunny women's group, and started filming and photographing case by case in the hangars of Velepromet on the outskirts of the city. The testimony and images of the women prisoners was halted to protect their identities. Rape as a Weapon of War was left unfinished.

2. I don't know what mean this: "Alvarez has documented the Galician diaspora,[1] travelling to "a hundred cities" on five continents to inventory Galician immigration.[20]".

- 3. In my opinion should be a chronological order, and this paragraph from 1996 pasted before the early years:

"In 1996 Álvarez traveled to Salvador de Bahia to document the consequences of poverty in Salvador de Bahía and the Sertão region: slavery and child labor of children working in the Sisal and pedreiras. For four months Álvarez lived in Salvador and travelled to different places of the Bahia region documenting the judicial police, military police, street children and raids against the prostitution in the neighborhood of Beirú (Tancredo Neves) one of the most dangerous favelas of the capital.[1]

- 4. There is blank gaps between texts and images, and should move the images aligned with the text to avoid those empty spaces, for a good look.

- 5. About the title: Long term documentaries Starting in 2009, he covered the Himba in Namibia.

I would like to say that I didn't covered the Himba, it was a long term documentary filmed and photographed during weeks for a Galician TV. But after changed the political government in 2009 in Galicia the new team of the TVG just banned the documentary and it never had been broadcasted. The project about Himba was part of my interest for Ethnography and Anthropology (I still enrolled in a degree in those studies, stopped by the born of my twin girls in 2014) and the struggling of them to survive. Himba is a nomadic tribe living in strong conditions, due to the hard drought in Namibia by the Climate change (not rain). Also they had been threatened to disappear by the construction of a dam on the Kunene River near Epupa Falls by the Namibian government. Himba people traditional and old life style also is in danger due to the tourism and diseases.

- 6. It's a word mistake here: Delmi Álvarez (born 1958) is a Galician photojournalist and documentary photographer. His work documents migration phenomena, especially of the Galician disapora,  diaspora and environmental and human rights issues. He has organized and curated several photography projects with other international photographers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokomoko2019 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry but my time today is very short Best,

Rokomoko2019 (talk) 14:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, Rokomoko! So for:


 * 1: you seem to have given us the changes that were made, but not told us what is wrong with them? Here is what that section currently says:

In the summer of 1991, having recently arrived from Cuba, he went on assignment for a Galician newspaper covering the conflict between Serbia and Croatia, working with Julio Fuentes [es]. Until 1993 he covered the war, working for various media, sending chronicles and images of the Vukovar and Sarajevo.

They began producing a documentary with the support and approval of the Suncica-Sunny women's group, and started filming and photographing case by case in the hangars of Velepromet on the outskirts of the city. The testimony and images of the women prisoners was halted to protect their identities. Rape as a Weapon of War was left unfinished.

What are the changes you believe are necessary?

Regarding these paragraphs: a bigger problem is that the section is completely unsourced. It's not particularly controversial as written, but at some point someone is going to ask for sourcing on it. Was there anything written about this?


 * 2: It means the source described you as visiting a hundred cities, which of course probably isn't correct -- it was probably 95 or 115 or something, not exactly 100 -- so we put it into quotes so that people will know this was something someone else said, not something Wikipedia is saying.


 * 3: done


 * 4: We'll worry about making it pretty after we've got the article written. Actually we probably should just remove all the photos now to make that easier; they're all in the various Delmi Alvarez categories at commons, is that correct, ?


 * 5: So we just remove the Himba altogether?


 * 6: done

--14:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * They should all be categorized at Commons, yes. Rokomoko, you might want to look over Photographs by Delmi Álvarez to make sure they're all there and that the captions are correct (especially the years). Eman  235 / talk  18:50, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi editors, About point #1.

This text:

In the summer of 1991, having recently arrived from Cuba, he went on assignment for a Galician newspaper covering the conflict between Serbia and Croatia, working with Julio Fuentes [es]. Until 1993 he covered the war, working for various media, sending chronicles and images of the Vukovar and Sarajevo.

Doesn't have any connection with this one below, because the text above after Vukovar and Sarajevo, is about Yugoslavia war.:  '''The text below is about what I wrote today trying to help explaining about the issue. It happened when I come back to Yugoslavia with my colleague Wiktor Dabkowsky and not with Julio Fuentes. Please check the former text and read it because is not connected both:'''

They (Delmi Alvarez and Wiktor Dabkowsky) began producing a documentary with the support and approval of the Suncica-Sunny women's group, and started filming and photographing case by case in the hangars of Velepromet on the outskirts of the city. The testimony and images of the women prisoners was halted to protect their identities. Rape as a Weapon of War was left unfinished.

Sorry, I can't be involved in this editing anymore. I already told that this page should be deleted, because right now it's a mess. Best regards.

Rokomoko2019 (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * , if you directly edit again, you're going to end up with the autobiography tag back on the article. I will not remove it a second time if another editor tags it. You said it was an embarrassment, which is why I tried to help. You also said you couldn't be involved in editing any more. You said you didn't want to help. Now you're editing the article again. Why? --valereee (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Yes, 1. I don't want be involved in this mess and I asked to delete the page. 2. I wrote you about you "chop and burn" that cut paragraphs that don't have sense or connection. I explained you very well about this text again:

Read carefully please because my colleague journalist Julio Fuentes was killed in Afghanistan and he is not involved in the project began in 2013 about women raped in Vukovar:

In the summer of 1991, having recently arrived from Cuba, he went on assignment for a Galician newspaper covering the conflict between Serbia and Croatia, working with Julio Fuentes [es]. Until 1993 he covered the war, working for various media, sending chronicles and images of the Vukovar and Sarajevo.

The text above (the end where said about Julio Fuentes) doesn't have any connection with this one below, because the text above after Vukovar and Sarajevo, is about Yugoslavia war.: 

'''The text below is about what I wrote today trying to help explaining about the issue. It happened when I come back to Yugoslavia with my colleague Wiktor Dabkowsky and not with Julio Fuentes. Please check the former text and read it because is not connected both:'''

They (Delmi Alvarez and Wiktor Dabkowsky) began producing a documentary with the support and approval of the Suncica-Sunny women's group, and started filming and photographing case by case in the hangars of Velepromet on the outskirts of the city. The testimony and images of the women prisoners was halted to protect their identities. Rape as a Weapon of War was left unfinished.

Do you understand? Julio Fuentes didn't began with me the project about women raped because he was killed. The person that join me to began the project is Wiktor Dabkowsky and not Julio Fuentes.

˜˜˜˜


 * Rokomoko, I've removed the content. Without a source we can't keep it anyway, so it doesn't really matter whether it's correct or incorrect in the details. I hope that solves the issue for you. Please if you have further concerns, bring them up here. I am happy to remove anything that doesn't have a reliable source or correct anything that is incorrect, but as I've explained multiple times at length both here and on your user talk page, we can't simply delete the entire article unless we believe the subject is non-notable. --valereee (talk) 17:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

How I can do to delete all this page?. More easy for you and me, I state that I want to delete this page. Reason: It's my mistake when I created this page, I am wrong, and Wikipedia is destroying my reputation. This is a mess. And please delete all my photos from Wikipedia. Wikipedia should send me a email because I don't want login here more times.


 * Does anyone speak Spanish well enough to explain that no one can delete the page if the subject is notable? I've tried multiple times to explain this, but it's just not getting through. --valereee (talk) 22:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * me contactó para que pudiéramos hablar sobre esto. Primeramente, gracias por su colaboración en esta página de discusión. Espero podamos llegar a un acuerdo. Respecto a su sugerencia sobre borrar este artículo, lamentablemente no podemos hacerlo sin un proceso formal. La única forma de poder borrar este artículo es si se comprueba que el tema en cuestión (en este caso, su biografía) no tiene relevancia enciclopédica. Esto no parece ser el caso con este artículo. Si analizamos las fuentes de información citadas, nos damos cuenta que usted a recibido una cobertura significativa de fuentes fiables independientes de la materia, lo que lo convierte en un personaje «relevante» y digno de inclusión. Esa es nuestra política en materia de creación e inclusión de artículos. Ahora, eso no significa que no podemos trabajar con usted para mejorar este artículo, pero tenemos que guiarnos por lo que dicen las fuentes de información. Cualquier duda que tenga, por favor responda aquí. Saludos, MX ( ✉  •  ✎  ) 14:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hola MX, Gracias por su contacto y la relevancia que me dan, pero humildemente no creo que sea así. Mi deseo ha sido siempre ayudar a las nuevas generaciones aportando materia educacional. Sinceramente había olvidado este tema por la cantidad de problemas que han surgido. Dígame en que puedo ayudarle. Le pediría que me lleguen las notificaciones a mi correo electrónico, porque de otra forma no consulto esta página.

Saludos Rokomoko2019 (talk) 18:06, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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