Talk:Delta International University of New Orleans

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Requesting deletion of "Delta International University of New Orleans" article.

The reasons for this request is that the article negatively affects our image. Many of our students are from African countries. When they read the article about having "unrecognized accreditation" many students interpret this to mean that they are not legal degrees.

We are requesting to have the entire article deleted at this time.

Officemanagermic (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This not the correct place to ask for deletion but in any case Wikipedia is not censored and all content should be referenced? Do you have a reliable reference to confirm that the university is accredited?  Teapot  george Talk  18:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This "University" and its Canadian affiliate, Management Institute of Canada have a long, ugly history of trying to mess with the articles. Since they have been unable to censor us, they've now moved to trying to delete them entirely. This username has been blocked. -- Orange Mike   &#x007C;   Talk  21:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Campus In Baton Rouge?
In looking at Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=9270+Siegen+Lane,+Baton+Rouge,+Louisiana,+USA+70810&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=9270+Siegen+Ln,+Baton+Rouge,+LA+70810&gl=us&ei=qtisTMLjO5CosQPCu_SIDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA the address listed in the catalog shows business buildings -- no actual college campus. In reviewing the DIU catalog, there is frequent mention of campus classes, but now where else is there a listing of classes actually given on campus. Accordingly, I've deleted references to the school as having a campus.--S. Rich (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, their website (which is still the main source for this article) says they offer "on-campus" programs. It's entirely possible that they conduct classes in an office building, although that wouldn't normally be called a "campus." --Orlady (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Accreditation by IADL?
The website for the IADL (http://www.iadl.org.uk/index.htm) says schools receiving it's accreditation logo must be accredited by a national or international body (http://www.iadl.org.uk/accredited_members.htm). Further, it gives a reference to the International Association of Universities (http://www.iau-aiu.net/) and says that schools not recognized by the AIU are "not normally be considered for Accredited Membership of the IADL." From what I see, DIU does not have recognition or accreditation from any national or international legal body.--S. Rich (talk) 20:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what IADL says, but look at the other schools that list IADL accreditation and you'll see a different pattern: Bircham International University, Calamus International University, Management Institute of Canada, UK College of Holistic Training, John Adams Virtual High School, the Indian Institute of Business Management and Studies... --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Biased Edit Deletions?
The information on this page is incomplete. However, when I try to edit to update the information and add factual content, it is immediately deleted. The information I included comes from verifiable sources and meets all Wikipedia editing guidelines. This leaves me wondering about the affiliations of the individuals deleting the information. In researching the history of this page, it seems like there may be some conflict of interest issues that need to be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TornadoThunder (talk • contribs) 16:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly, your edits seem much more likely to raise alarms about COI editing. You remove references, information, and editing tags, while adding little of substance. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Seeing the revert warring that has occurred here, I've full-protected the page for a few days. Note that verifiability requires content from independent reliable sources. Deleting third-party content and replacing it with DIU's public relations output is contrary to verifiability. --Orlady (talk) 02:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Le MIC, une école non reconnue en activité depuis 2005 (Radio-Canada, 29 février 2012)
The following appeared on Radio-Canada's site today, original (en français) here: http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2012/02/29/005-management-institute-canada.shtml


 * "Radio-Canada has learned a school in Montréal is profiting from laxness at the Ministry of Éducation du Québec to offer an on-line university education in management. The Management Institute of Canada (MIC) is not recognised by the government, which hasn't stopped it from operating since 2005.
 * The MIC consists of a location found at the end of a hallway in a building downtown. In its study programme, it claims to be a recognised university which offers management courses via Internet. According to the law on university education, it is nonetheless prohibited to offer university-level instruction and grant diplomas without the authorisation of the Ministry of Éducation.
 * The director of the school, Alain Hoodashtian, claims to have maintained telephone contacts with the Ministry. He asserts that they affirmed to him that, 'as long as the diploma is delivered elsewhere, they allow you to exist. [...] They tolerate you, but just until this is clarified.'
 * Mr Hoodashtian created his own university, the Delta International University, an establishment recognised in Louisiana. It's this entity which grants the diplomas, a practice which is not legal. The offices of MIC in Montréal are merely an annex to recruit students.
 * The masters programme in management offered by the Management Institute of Canada lasts 12 months and costs $10 000, a long and expensive education to obtain a diploma not recognised in Canada.
 * Thanks to the Access to Information Act, Radio-Canada has learned that three times since 2005, the Ministry of Éducation had advised the Management Institute of Canada to cease its university activities, but the latter still remains open.
 * The Ministry has refused to grant an interview on this subject."
 *  - From a report by Johanne Faucher, of which the full version will be broadcast as part of the programme " Enquête " 8pm Thursday (1 March 2012) on the air via Radio-Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.83.61 (talk) 03:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

MIC is a recognized School in Quebec
More about MIC:

Alain Hoodashtian, has received a full support from the Quebec Government, the Ministry of Education, for the Management Institute of Canada (MIC) by a letter which has been received at MIC in January 2013. Radio Canada has diffused a program in March 2012, indicating that MIC is an "unrecognized School in Canada", having educational operations which are not conforming to the rules and regulations of the Quebec Ministry of Education. http://www.delta-university.org/?P=formic

The supporting letter from the Quebec Ministry of Education attests that MIC is a recognized School in Quebec and the educational operations of MIC are conforming to the rules and regulations of the Ministry. The letter states clearly that MIC continues its activity in "all legality" in Quebec. http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2012/02/29/005-management-institute-canada.shtml#!

Please see the official Approval of MIC by the Quebec Ministry of Education: http://www.delta-university.org/?P=formic

Edit request on 4 March 2012
Please remove as the Radio-Canada piece establishes notability and is WP:RS that at least the Montréal operation is not accredited. --66.102.83.61 (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

66.102.83.61 (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Radio-Canada reliable source identifies the MIC as a non-accredited institution, which makes it non-notable; the MIC's notability status does not affect this article, whose notability has still not been established. Even if MIC were notable, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, and this article still lacks independent multiple reliable sources which cover it in depth and establish its notability, so the tags are still valid, individually and collectively. Dru of Id (talk) 05:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

MIC *is* just a front for this outfit, basically a sales office, per the Radio-Canada piece. If MIC is notable (as it must be if it's being reported upon on national television as hard news) and MIC is *only* a front for DIU, that does confer notability (not credibility, alas, just notability) on the whole DIU mess. The converse is not necessarily true (DIU being notable would not in and of itself make MIC noteworthy, although it would be a contributing factor). --66.102.83.61 (talk) 01:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * An accredited college or university would meet WP:N. Long term significant coverage would meet the WP:GNG there; the significant coverage is of MIC, with mentions in passing of DIU. Veneer or not, the non-trivial coverage is only of MIC, and could only be considered for an article on MIC. Businesses fall under WP:CORP. Dru of Id (talk) 11:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

MIC has no existence independent of DIU. If it did, then notability would be independent of that of the parent entity. --66.102.83.61 (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

ABOUT DIU:

The Report of Radio Canada about MIC in Canada, seems having no relation with DIU is the USA. As far as we can see in their website, DIU is a recognized university: http://www.delta-university.org/?P=about_approval

By the way, MIC is also a recognized entity in Quebec, but for non-Degree programs. They can operate, but cannot deliver university degrees. See their approval: http://www.micanada.org/images/Certificat%20d'agrement%20MIC%202011-2013.jpg

And this: http://www.micanada.org/?P=accreditation

MIC says they do not offer degree or university programs anymore. See the first page of their website: http://www.micanada.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brigittedepuis (talk • contribs) 15:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The Radio-Canada Enquête piece is relevant to DIU because MIC tried to claim that it is entitled to use DIU's status to issue degrees in Québec - which is illegal under Canadian provincial laws. As for DIU having a website? Uncyclopedia has various websites in .org, perhaps we should trust it as an accredited university! The only requirement that a website owner be a school accredited by a valid US accreditation body is for a new .edu site... which DIU does not have. --66.102.83.61 (talk) 16:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

[Redacted possible CV] It has been said in its Website: http://www.delta-university.org/?P=accreditation

DIU Approval has been received in 2009, and it goes up to June 2012, and DIU, for a period of 2 up to 3 years, is obliged to apply for Accreditation from a US State Recognized Accrediting Body. If there is a delay, the Approval could be renewed, only under certain valid reasons and conditions.

Once the Accreditation is received, the Institution could then apply to receive a "edu", for its Website, and not before. Before receiving Accreditation, the Institution is considered as Recognized, but not Accredited. This is the case of DIU.

Brigitte Depuis


 * Turning a non-accredited institution into an accredited one isn't just a question of applying for the status and handing out degrees willy-nilly from the unaccredited school in the meantime. You may want to look at Ryerson University Toronto for an example of the proper way to go about this (Ryerson was originally a community college, which in Ontario's system gives diplomas but typically not degrees in its own right). Ryerson had to meet some very specific requirements, including hiring substantial number of faculty already teaching at other degree-granting institutions, before it would even be considered for promotion from diploma to degree school. --66.102.83.61 (talk) 20:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

DIU ACCREDITATION PROCESS:

To receive Accreditation in the USA, an Approved and Licensed Institution should market, recruit, teach and organize courses and issue Degrees, for a period of 2 up to 3 years. This is the first condition to apply for Accreditation. You can read this on the website of all State Recognized Accrediting Organizations in the USA, as ACICS or DETC. Please see their requirements here: http://www.acics.org/publications/criteria.aspx and see item number 1-2-100 - MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

An Institution, once it is approved by a State, should teach and issue Degrees BEFORE applying for Accreditation, and this is the Condition for Accreditation. This regulation is different from Canada, and the example of ‘Ryerson University’ in Toronto cannot be used for DIU.

In the USA, a non-accrediting Institution can operate legally if (and only if), once Approved by a State, the Institution shows to the State, it is in the process of Accreditation and makes real efforts to organize the university regulations and policies accordingly. This is the case of DIU.

The first request from the State of Louisiana (Board of Regents) was that Delta International University must get into the process of Accreditation from a State recognized Accrediting body. And DIU has started this long process since 2009. This information is shown in this page: http://www.delta-university.org/?P=accreditation This is why DIU continues to operate legally and students apply at DIU and companies, organizations, including ‘the Australian Council or Private Education and Training (ACPET)’ (http://www.acpet.edu.au/about-acpet/about-acpet) send students to DIU, please see this page: http://www.delta-university.org/?P=students_australia

Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markedith (talk • contribs) 03:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Alleged sockpuppetry surrounding this article
A sockpuppetry case has been opened regarding the whitewashing of this article. See here.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  18:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)