Talk:Demetrius II of Georgia

move Demetrius II of Georgia to Demetrius the Self-Sacrificer

 * Support to move. Jorjadze (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If no objections are met page will be moved. Jorjadze (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's not a proper procedure for move. Please follow Moving a page and Requested moves.--KoberTalk 17:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. After two full listing periods, there is one support vote (the nominator) and two opposes so closing as no consensus. The opposes are valid because I don't think evidence has been provided that the mentioned cognomen is overwhelmingly used and recognised in English, as required by WP:SOVEREIGN and WP:COMMONNAME. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Demetrius II of Georgia → Demetrius the Self-Sacrificer – It should be moved to his historical name. Relisted. BDD (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Jorjadze (talk) 10:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Oppose No one is arguing that he was not called Demetrius II of Georgia but Demetrius the Self-Sacrificer is the more common form used in sources. Overall it is ill advice to use nicknames to denote monarchs of Georgia due to their obscurity to English audiences; the "of Georgia" tell us more about the person than the nickname that many might even get. The nickname is still shown in the article. --The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 11:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose The "X of Georgia" construct is more informative and descriptive. Furthermore, the Georgian nicknames can be rendered in English in various ways, creating confusion. Even the Georgian-language encyclopedias don't use nicknames in the title of an article about a monarch.--KoberTalk 12:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You may want to read WP:COMMONNAME. Jorjadze (talk) 17:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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