Talk:Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils

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Hi, which version of Tian Long Ba Bu is this entry about? I read the 2nd version. The descriptions for several characters are wrong if the entry is for the 2nd version.

You Tanzhi was hardly noble
You might be selfless, but he was hardly noble. His love for A Zi was quite obsessive, not unlike Duan Yu's love for Wang Yuyan. However, unlike Duan Yu, he wouldn't hesitate killing innocent people just to please his lover.
 * Agreed. If there's no major objections I'll change that.--Alexio 02:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * done--Alexio 03:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? Why is You Tanzhi given the same amount of attention in this article as Xiao Feng, Duan Yu, and Xuzhu? Especially this part: "The plot is made up of several separate yet intertwining story lines, revolving around the protagonists Qiao Feng, Duan Yu and Xuzhu and also You Tanzhi." I haven't read the books in a long time, so I don't quite remember... but even if part of the book's perspective was You Tanzhi's, I still do not remember him being a main character of the same magnitude as Xiao Feng, Duan Yu, or Xuzhu. I hardly think he should be considered a "protagonist." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.80.103 (talk) 23:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * So are you suggesting that we axe the You Tanzhi section from this page and move it to List of Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils characters?   Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 13:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would probably make a lot more sense. I notice in the characters section, he has no detailed information on him, and it just has a link to read more about him on the main page. I definitely think it should be taken out of the main page and moved there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.80.103 (talk) 22:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.   Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 00:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

The Four Evil Ones were not ranked by age.
They were ranked by their powers. Yue Lao San never thought he was older than Ye Er Niang. Rather, he believed that he was more powerful than her, so he should have been ranked second rather than third.

The morale of the book
This book marked a big leap of morality comparing to Jing Yong's earlier books (and other traditional WuXia novels), e.g. The Legend of the Condor Heroes. While the earlier book drew a clear line between ethnic groups (the Hero sacrificed himself for Han against foreign invaders, which is considered highest level of Xia 侠之大者, 为国为民), the line was much blurred in this book. Xiao Feng was of ethnic Qidan (considered barbarians by Hans). Other Hans could not tolerate him (非我族类, 其心必异. He is not of our ethnic group, thus he would betray us sooner or later), yet he could not bring himself to destroy the people who raised him. In the end, he died because he didn't belong anywhere. Interestingly enough, Jin Yong went back and modified an earlier book Sword Stained with Royal Blood with similar ideas. When the hero tried to assassinate the enemy Emperor, he overheard that the Emperor would treat the people kindly if he conquered China.


 * Agreed. We can actually expand on this and add it to this section - about the development of the protagonists and their difference in character. For example, Guo Jing seems to follow strictly the ideals on Confusianism, Yang Guo's ideals are based on Taoism, Xiao Feng resembles the typical Buddhist Xia, while Wei Xiaobao is just a rascal. (There have been lots of discussions about these - including some online sources here.)  No News  !  12:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Good idea, but you need to take great care to avoid OR, which includes personal reviews, thoughts, and interpretations, that do not appear in published and reliable sources. _LDS (talk) 13:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Technical discussions
Should there be separate sections for the adventures of Duan Yu, Qiao Feng and Xu Zhu, seeing that they played an equally-important role in the development of the story? I know it will be an arduous task, but to make this article complete, it should be done.--Alexio 15:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone's been watching too much TV
Things like Duan Yu killing the 4th evil guy, Sweeper Monk being uberpowerful, etc are all from the movies, not the book. (The 4th evil guy saved Wang Yuyan's life once, and the sweeper monk vomited blood after being hit by Xiao Feng.) -- Миборо в ский 00:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I took out the reference to Yun Zhong He being killed by Duan Yu. He would have left the stage after Duan Yanqing killed Yue Lao San.--Alexio 03:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yun Zhong He does not save Duan Yu in the book, it is Yue Lao San who frequently does it. And while the sweeper monk does vomit blood when hit by Xiao Feng, his immense power is still shown by absorbing Mu Rong Fu and Xiao Feng's attack by simply closing his palms together. The reference of him vomitting blood is perhaps the author's hint to let the reader know that the monk is no god or buddha of any kind. J.S.Lucindy (talk) 23:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: On Sweeper Monk being 'superpowerful'. The novel itself (throughout all 3 editions) does indeed prove it. In all 3 editions, the novel had Sweeper Monk killing Murong Bo in 1 hit even though Murong Bo was in what Xiao Yuanshan and Xiao Feng considered to be 'a perfect defensive stance'. Considering that Murong Bo was also leagues ahead of most other fighters (e.g. it was narrated that he could have killed Duan Zhengchun from a vast distance simply by casually pointing with his 'Canhe Finger' Skill)and on par with Xiao Feng and Xiao Yuanshan, being able to kill Murong Bo in 1 stance is an incredible feat of martial arts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.58.12.227 (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Tian Long Ba Bu / TLBB the video game needs its own page
I find it somewhat strange that a game ranked in the top 5 most profitable online games in the world doesn't have its own page. Can we get rid of the redirect from Tian Long Ba Bu and TLBB and instead create a separate page please? Mole40k (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure. I've created a red link on Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils (disambiguation) for people interested in starting the article. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 04:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

A'zhu & A'zi
These are not correct pinyin romanizations. Should be Azhu and Azi. See pinyin. Timmyshin (talk) 13:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * What do you do about Jing'an then ? Tell all China that's not correct ? Seems like there's exceptions in all languages ... 2603:3023:752:E000:38D5:496D:D5FC:DC77 (talk) 07:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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