Talk:Democratic Marxism

This politically philosophy is different from both regular Marxism and different from Democratic Socialism. Being different from either of these I think it deserves its own page because there is nothing on wikipedia that represents an ideology of Marxism with a democratic spin. All the pages about Marxism on wikipedia use the idea of an authoritarian government rather than a democratic government. Please read the article to see the discrepancies. Also this is unlike democratic socialism because socialism does not imply redistribution of wealth. It only implies government owner ship of the means of production. If you can find another wikipedia page that represents this political philosophy then I have no objection to deleting this page. But I have not found one that accurately represents this idea. Thank you.
 * I understand what you mean but please read WP:MADEUP. Is this notable, documented, etc. or is this an idea of yours that you just made up? If the latter, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia regardless of the merits. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Very fair, I will provide links in the external links section to provide links of other things that recognize this political philosophy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politcally Correction (talk • contribs) 02:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

There are groups that support this view as I have shown in the external links section
This page clearly deserves to exist to provide a distinction from common Marxist thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politcally Correction (talk • contribs) 03:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so the first is definitely an old-style Marxist party (they even call themselves Marxist-Leninist.) The second is a fake country. The third is a Facebook page for aforementioned M-L party. I don't see how these have much to do with the philosophy you wrote about in the article. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 03:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

This philosophy is very much talked about on marxist forums do a google search (with quotes) "Democratic Marxism" and you will see people saying that Marxism shouldn't be democratic and you will see some people saying it should be democratic. It is a real idea that people use to differentiate between authoritarian marxism and democratic.


 * Please read WP:SOURCES for information about what can and cannot (or should not) be used as a source for articles. Do you have academic political theorists writing articles about Democratic Marxism?  --Mr. Vernon (talk) 03:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * academic articles are not required, but some reliable sources are; newspapers, magazines, and so on, other than those published by your own party.  DGG ( talk ) 07:51, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Legitimate academic citation
"During at least two of the three years of democratic Marxist government, however, Chile faced severe economic and political crises." It clearly states that it was a democratic Marxist government. (http://www.jstor.org/pss/447149)

"In November 1970, Marxist socialist Salvador Allende took office as President of Chile, vowing to bring about revolutionary change by working within, and not against, the country's constitutional democratic tradition." (http://www.jstor.org/pss/447149) The fact that the Marxist president wants to work within the democratic system implies that it is democratic marxism.

Not to mention this is a very real idea outside of academic circles too. If you read on Marxists forums there will often times be people debating the merits of either democratic marxism or general marxism.

Now that we recognize this idea exists and has been talked about in academic writing I think the page should remain and if scholars want to come improve it and add more to it then they can do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politcally Correction (talk • contribs) 04:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The quote "The oppressed are allowed once every few years....."
It's actually from State and Revolution by Vladimir Lenin. I have no permission to edit this page, but it would be nice if someone addressed this issue. 82.134.152.132 (talk) 15:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I added the original source, from Lenin. Thanks for the correction. Starvinsky (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Delete this page
I would opt for deleting this page, it's pretty clearly original research and it's also written in a non-neutral tone. Some of it is also inaccurate and uninformed. The only source about "democratic socialism" is a casual mention of it in relation to Allende, but really, that does not suffice in my opinion. There's no systematic exposition of any such concept, nor are there any notable self-proclaimed 'democratic Marxists'. It's original research through and through. The namedropping of the Stalinist party from Sri Lanka is also ridiculous, because supposedly "democratic Marxism" is an alternative to these authoritarian parties. Might as well namedrop the DEMOCRATIC people's republic of korea as "proof" that this is a real current and not original research.TimIsTimisTimIsTim (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion
Proposing merging Democratic Marxism into Democracy in Marxism, due to strong overlap and shortness of this article. HudecEmil (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)