Talk:Democratic Movement (France)

Christian democracy
I'd like to add "Christian democracy" to the political ideology section. Any objections? Soviet Canuckistan 02:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I find to difficult to understand in what sense MoDem could be christian-democratic. It is not member of EPP, and, most of all, the party is very socially liberal on moral issues. Also on the economic ground, MoDem is to the left of any christian-democratic party in Europe. Finally I underline that most Christian Democrats within UDF switched to UMP in 2002 and the remaining ones left UDF in order to form PSLE-NC this year. The party has a centrist and social liberal platform and, although some of his members are devoute Catholics (as the leader Bayrou), this doesn't mean that they are also Christian Democrats (Bayrou, who was once leader of CDS/FD, the christian-democratic party successor to MRP, is hardly a Christian Democrat himself). For all these reasons I oppose the addition of "Christian democracy" to the political ideology section. --Checco 12:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I see your point. Sorry for not asking before I added it the first time.


 * Just out of curiosity, how does Christian democracy differ from traditional conservatism? Soviet Canuckistan 21:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It differs from it for many reasons: first of all traditional conservatives tended and tend to be secular, while Christian Democrats generally support Christian values in politics. --Checco 23:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I dunno. I think Checco's reasoning is mistaken (a party that splits from a christian-democratic party (UDF), has conservative stances like opposition to gay marriage (marriage is between a man and woman) and is a member of the EDP, of which the Belgian MCC and the Italian Daisy are also member can be Christian Democratic). But I found no good reason to classify it as such. C mon 08:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * UDF is not a christian-democratic party and MoDem is formed by those members of UDF who are more distant to Christian democracy. Anyway very few parties in Europe support gay marriage and I don't think that the issue is so important to identify a party as christian-democratic or not. For example in Italy also DS oppose gay marriage and the Labour Party of Ireland doesn't campaign in favour of abortion. Can we state that also these parties are socially conservative? I don't think so. In the end I would like you to notice that MoDem is generally socially liberal and Bayrou is open to adoption by gays, supports the Pacs and defends women' right to choose. Also MCC is socially liberal on these issues, while DL, despite the presence of a small faction of social conservatives, is overwhelmingly in favour of Pacs in a conservative country where such a position is undoubtely out of the mainstream. I find difficult also to describe DL as christian-democratic, but it is true that DL, differently from MoDem, has strong ties wuth some Catholic associations and with representatives of the episcopate. In the end, anyway, I aggree with C mon: there is no reason to classify MoDem as christian-democratic. --Checco 09:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is the concept of "Christian Democracy" which doesn't mean the same thing in each country. In Germay or Italy, it is a political family close to conservatives. For instance, the German Christian Democrats are often named "Conservatives" in non-German medias. In France, Christian Democracy was more an intellectual hazy caming from the liberal or progressive wing of catholicism (Le sillon de Marc Sangnier, the review Esprit, the CFTC trade-union, the Catholic Action associations...). In French politics, except the period of MRP (1945-1965), it was often divided in several parties about the question of the alliance with the Right and notably with the Gaullists (the alliance with the left was impossible in due to the opposition clericals/non-religious). Today, if we define "Christian Democrats" as politicians inspired by christian doctrines, we found Christian Democrats into the MoDem (autonomous towards the Right), into the New Centre (allied with the Right) and into the UMP (integrated into the Right). Besides, the former Sarkozy's housing minister Christine Boutin has founded a "Christian Democratic Party" (the first to name in this in French political history), but it is a small organization in the UMP's orbit, and it represents a very small part of the French Christian Democracy. The majority of MoDem members are Christian Democrats (this the case of its leader Bayrou), but some MoDem members came from others political families (Benhamias ans Lepage came from the Ecologists). There is no one Christian Democratic party in France, but some Christians Democrats politicians scattered in several political organizations. Sorry for my English: I'm French 82.66.234.112 (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand your view, but it is very difficult to describe MoDem as a Christian-democratic party. Also in Italy many members of the late Christian Democracy party were progessives, indeed they were Christian democrats only by name! --Checco (talk) 16:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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Jean Lasalle, MoDem Deputy
Didn't Jean Lassalle leave MoDem in 2016 in order to launch his own party? Maybe he should be taken away from the list of current MoDem deputies? Tanzania (talk) 11:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's been a legislative election since then and the current number should reflect the number of members in the parliamentary group, which is 41. Lassalle is a non-inscrit. Mélencron (talk) 14:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that's what I'm referring to. Under "Elected officials", Lassalle is named as a deputy of MoDem. But I thought he had changed party? Tanzania (talk) 10:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, the section's outdated and can't be easily updated – I'll just delete it for the moment. Mélencron (talk) 13:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That may be the best solution. Thanks! Tanzania (talk) 09:06, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Liberalism / social-liberalism
Hi No French source says "libéralisme" about the MoDem. But "social-libéralisme" occurs very often and in varied sources. Fourmidable (talk) 15:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * My sense is that "social liberalism" in the French context is not the same as elsewhere. This said, what you wrote is a matter of debate. I think it is time to re-think about MoDem's ideology. Is "Christian democracy" its main ideology? What about "liberalism" and "social liberalism. I would probably keep "Christian democracy" and, regarding the other issue, as the party is centre to centr-right, I prefer "liberalism" over "social liberalism", which is mostly used for centre-left parties. --Checco (talk) 18:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)