Talk:Democratic Party (Serbia)/Archive 1

Policy summary
Could someone knowledgeable provide a policy summary?

Recent events
I hope everybody agrees with the changes I made. I generally rephrased most of the things that sounded POV and left out things that go into much detail and really are not concerned with DS itself. We can discuss it here point for point, if you wish, but it seems rather clear to me that the previous version was not NPOV and was making assumptions that yet need to be determined (e.g. that Djindjic was killed by mafia - bare in mind that nobody was sentenced yet, and the people who were accused now also lead one to believe that it had more to do with ICTY. But we need to wait and see, this is not a place to speculate).

Hello and thanks for your generous input

I do agree with most of your points but some I would like to discus.

First Operation Sablja

You said: This police action was aimed at finding the assassins and was seen as a blow to organized crime by many

OK

It is fact that it had impact on crime, crime rate and yes on organized crime. That is not perception but fact so I think that part “by many” is surplus. If you dispute this than there are also statistical data that can clarify things. It was not only intended to find assassins but to destroy organized gang’s.


 * It would be rather hard to say everything that needs to be said about Sablja in this article. That's why I left it a bit ambiguous.

Regarding who kill him you are quite right. They are not sentenced yet but police investigation is finished and there is clear result who was behind assassination. I do understand that you are uncomfortable to make assumption but I sincerely hope that you will put into article who is the suspect.


 * There is always a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. We can certainly mention who is accused of it, but it probably belongs in Zoran Djindjic, and not here, if we want to get more into it.

I also think that last sentence was deleted with no reason because it is official stance of DS to have full cooperation with ICTY.


 * I thought so, too. But, according to Tadic's constitution proposal, no citizens of Serbia will be extradited. So, I really don't know what to think about it right now. If somebody can phrase their stand clearly, please do so, I am just not sure at this point how to do it. --Dejan Cabrilo 05:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I leave you choice wether you will act on this comment or not.

I am quite pleased with the rest and wish to thank you one more for your help.

TRIGOR

Thanks a lot fot your help and corrections

Just one more point regarding ICTY which I really think you should put back

It is truth that according DS constitution proposal Article 59 (citizenship) there is line 3 that says: “Citizen of Serbia cannot be exiled or extradited” but line 4 says: “Surrender of Serbian citizens to international court of justice is not consider extradition in accordance with international rights and law”

Because these laws aloud or even encourage extradition to internationally recognized courts law is not against it. In addition there is also law that was enacted by previous administration that regulates extraditions. I do agree that wording is odd. Because 3rd and 4th point are contradictory and because word “surrender” in 3rd paragraph is opened to debate whether it is voluntary or compulsory surrender i.e. arrest but I hope that these arguments are enough to convince you to restore sentence in form that you will chose. If not you can visit www.ds.org.yu and see their policy which you should state. If you believe that it is dubious you may point on some example.

Član 59 (Državljanstvo) (1) Lice rođeno na teritoriji Srbije ima pravo na državljanstvo Srbije, ako nema drugo državljanstvo. (2) Državljanin Srbije se ne može lišiti državljanstva niti prava da ga se odrekne. (3) Državljanin Srbije ne može se proterati niti biti izručen. (4) Pod izručenjem se ne podrazumeva predaja državljanina Srbije međunarodnom pravosudnom organu u skladu s međunarodnim pravom i zakonom.


 * Sorry for replying late. I think that "compulsory surrender" would be stretching it way beyond an encyclopedic entry. It seems more to be what Kostunica is doing now (not arresting anyone, but if somebody does surrender, he will extradit him). I am not sure if this can be characterized as cooperation with ICTY. The fact is that Tadic's DS has changed a lot, and I am personally not sure what their new stand on this issue is. I looked (quickly) into their new statute, and I couldn't find any reference. Please quote it here if you found it on their website. Thanks! --Dejan Cabrilo 06:13, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, my bad on that one! I just realized that I translated "predaja" as "surrender", and not as "extradition". They probably wanted it to say "extradition". --Dejan Cabrilo 22:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Opposition
Is this party in the opposition? --PaxEquilibrium 16:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

At the moment they are in opposition in parliament, but president Boris Tadic is from this party. So they are parliamentary in opposition.

Activity in Republika Srpska
This part of the article seems to me to be a complete rubbish. I've never heard that this party has any connections with Democratic Party in Serbia. There's no reference to confirm this connection. I will delete this section if no-one objects. Saigon from europe (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Social democracy
http://www.pes.org/en/pes-members http://www.ecosy.org/page/10/our-alliance/#Serbia http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?dd=02&mm=10&nav_category=11&nav_id=462495&yyyy=2010

The last link the president himself says that the party is and will be more social democratic. Now you have the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.32.155 (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

http://www.ds.org.rs/demokratska-stranka-ukratko On the official site the party declair themself in the party program as a socialdemocratic (only!) party. There are no source that the party is social-liberal anymore.

Merger proposal
I propose to merge President of Democratic Party (Serbia) into this article. That article is very short (1,7 kB), so this article would not become too long if the list of party presidents would simply be a section of this article. There is no need to outsource this material into another article. --RJFF (talk) 21:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol support vote.svg Agreed Snake bgd 21:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Buttons (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. All the data in the presidents article can be located here. Be bold and do the merge yourself! Vanjagenije (talk) 00:47, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Foundation
The DS was actually founded on February 3, 1990 according to the registry of political parties in Serbia. The claim that "on 11 December 1989, a group of Serbian intellectuals held a press conference announcing the revival of the Democratic Party" does not constitute that actual foundation of said party, merely its intent. Buttons (talk) 06:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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