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Orphaned references in Democratic Republic of the Congo
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Reference named "Sergeant20070506": From Dan Gertler:  From Tremalt:  

Reference named "Seccombe20071107": From Dan Gertler:  From Mukondo Mine:  

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Coat of Arms
The coat of arms of the "Democratic Republic of the Congo" are a direct life-threatening depiction [via morphasm, weapons, beasts ready to slay etc.]

Also many other nations use "vulgar violence" depictions on their flags or heraldic crests, like Wales, or the creast of Russia depicting the time of death.

A state might have to use legal force to protect it's citizens, but choosing death as a permanant national ideal entangled with national or state symbols, it is a crime against our inner consciousness.

Legal violence is NOT an ideal to be depicted, but our last option.

Many other nations and countries commit that crime. We can accept that the army might use some violent hints [humanists do not accept even that], but a nation is not a killing machine, and death is not the first standard to be depicted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.222.5 (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Coltan
This should not be a separate section. Coltan is a mineral, and any discussion of it belongs under the Mining section. In addition, the Coltan section also discusses tin, which should also be under the Mining section. By having a separate section, the article tends to give the impression that Coltan is a major source of mining revenue. It is not, except that it is the major part of the income of the warring parties in the Eastern Congo. Mining is carried out by extremely primitive methods, and production is measured in hundreds of tons of ore per year, or around 100 tpy of contained tantalum. However, there are no refining facilities. By contrast, the copper/cobalt mines of the southern province of Katanga are highly mechanised, and capable of producing several millions of tpy of ore, and refining it into metal.Nigelrg (talk) 06:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)Nigelrg (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Heart of Darkness Reference
Why is a Citation needed for the Heart of Darkness being set in the Congo? The book's listing here on Wikipedia mention that it was written based on his experiences working for a Belgian trading company on the congo river. Congo free state was set up by leopold from belgium and the congo river is in the DRC. Seems like a specific citation for that bit is just unnecessary. If someone could explain I would appreciate it. Synapse001 20:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't hurt though, would it? (and only take a minute) Francis Hannaway (talk) 15:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

2nd Congo War
In the intorduction it gives the 5.4 million figure for deaths in the 2nd Congo war. It is well known this is a huge over-estimation and has been admitted to be so by the people who came up with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.230.83.252 (talk) 02:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Need a source that says so then, if this is true. Elinruby (talk) 18:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Not democratic
How come it is called Democratic Republic of the Congo? It is one of the least democratic countries in the world, I guess it has to be some kind of misunderstanding? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.243.30.2 (talk) 08:03, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is North Korea 'The Democratic People's Republic of Korea'? Why was East Berlin the 'Democratic German Republic'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.237.119.62 (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The Democratic Republic of the Congo is the established name of this country, so why would it be anything else. Do you consider the United States of America to be that united, ever in the past 100 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikalaeditsforcol (talk • contribs) 06:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Dumping ground - this page needs help!
I haven't been here as often as I might. What I notice now is that this article is just becoming a dumping ground for any snippet anyone's ever heard of to do with colonial Congo, the Mobutu era, and present-day Congo. But there's no overall shape to the piece. I think that quite a few of the sections have quite good main pages - and so there's no need to describe the detail here, in such detail. So, in that respect, the quality is affected by the page being too long. I seem to remember meeting someone from "the Guild of Copy Editors" - are these the people who will sort out this page? Anyway - my thoughts are to reduce each section to make the page more readable. What do you think? Francis Hannaway (talk) 08:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think they are indeed the people you can contact who do that sort of thing, if it's still needed. See WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors or  WP:GOCE. 220  of  Borg 09:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You could also put the maintenance template at the top of the article page. This will add it to a 'list' of pages needing copy editing 220  of  Borg 09:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

City populations
The city populations listed in the table under demographics differ greatly in population from the numbers reported on the pages for those cites and the city pages disagree about the order of the cities as far as population as well. Which is correct? (20 June 2014). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem
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Orphaned references in Democratic Republic of the Congo
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Reference named "WP": From Belgian Congo:  From Laurent Nkunda: "For Tutsis of Eastern Congo, Protector, Exploiter or Both?" by Stephanie McCrummen, The Washington Post, August 6, 2007</li> <li>From Jean-Pierre Bemba: "Vote Count Continues in Congo Election", Washington Post, 15 August 2006.</li> <li>From National Congress for the Defence of the People: See, for example, "For Tutsis of Eastern Congo, Protector, Exploiter or Both?" by Stephanie McCrummen, The Washington Post, August 6, 2007</li> </ul>

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Civil Wars
The civil war in America was easy to recognise as such, either side of the Mason-Dixie line - if I understand it correctly - the nation split into two groups. That was a civil war. However, in the Congo, the situation was quite different; there were wars - but the general population were neither involved in them, nor took sides in them. They were wars fought by militias and the army, on Congolese soil ... but I don't think they could be called "civil wars". Any thoughts? Francis Hannaway (talk) 08:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Last I remember the American Civil War does not define what a civil war is, rather the other way around. Please see Civil war. ---Moyogo/ (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, so you agree with me! That's good. Francis Hannaway (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

URL to the website of the government of RDC?
Anybody with a link to the official website of the RDC Government? Thy --SvenAERTS (talk) 23:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Etymology - dates
The current text says, "The country was known officially as the "Republic of Zaïre" from 1965 to 1971, when it was changed to the "Democratic Republic of the Congo", This is incorrect - but my attempts to correct it have been reverted. The country became the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1965, then Zaire in 1971 (until 1997 when it reverted to DRC). The article says this further on - but the error persists in the Etymology section. 109.150.174.93 (talk) 21:11, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Congo vs the Congo
At first, the article notes the latter is the only form. Yet later, it uses The Democratic Republic of Congo 17 times! Should all the cases be corrected?--Adûnâi (talk) 11:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That's clearly incorrect; I'm not sure whether "Congo", "the Congo", "Democratic Republic of the Congo", or "DRC" is most appropriate as a general replacement though. Power~enwiki (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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US Engagement
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On June 18, 2013, Russ Feingold was appointed United States Special Representative for the region by United States Secretary of State John Kerry. He announced his departure from the position on February 24, 2015.

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Pov problem
Removed text: "despite the fact that every neutral observer has praised the elections." I question this, but supposing it is true, it would need attribution and a reference Elinruby (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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Some points on a History section subsection
In the Continental and Civil wars (1996–present) subsection, at the beginning there are links to main articles about 4 different wars. Only the 3rd of these conflicts gains its own header, so I emboldened the first two in the text. But I cannot find any mention of the 4th one in the text. Surely if it has its own article it should get a mention?

Secondly, the NY Times article estimate of the total number of dead from the conflict appears in the 3rd war subsection (which as there is no further subsection heading appears to take up the rest of the subsection?). The reader is left to guess whether the estimates relate to that particular conflict or all of them or ... ?   Boscaswell   talk  02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Population increase
I could not find any valid sources mentioning the population of Belgian Congo being 1928 in 1910, and then having the huge growth rate to 89,000 in 1956. YoavMal (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2019
Link the Congo Children Trust with The Congo Children Trust page ZoeBredenkamp (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , that would be highly WP:UNDUE. CMD (talk) 13:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

National anthem playback on iPhone
I was wondering if anyone could make it so the national anthem could be played back on an iPhone.

Thank you Flags200 (talk) 15:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

The GDP per capita seems to be wrong
Hi there,

It seems that the GDP per capita (PPP) of Democratic Republic of the Congo is wrong. The value is only $3. Is it a correct number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Multech (talk • contribs) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Relation of citizens' wealth and mineral prices
So, here's the dirt ...
 * "The country's woes mean that despite its potential its citizens are among the poorest people on Earth. DR Congo consistently has the lowest, or nearly the lowest, nominal GDP per capita in the world."

The currency was stable at 920 FC to the $US for at least 8 years and then when there was a so called drop in the price of copper the FX rate changed to 1,650 FC to the US$. Wages are paid in Francs and rents are paid in dollars = this leads to poverty. In the interior of course, everything imported is a ridiculous price because of transport costs, corrupt local taxes and the fact that the goods were first bought with dollars. The DRC has enough mineral wealth to pay for free education for all, free health-care and to pay for road building projects (there are few intercity roads) which in turn would generate local economies. No, the "woes" of DRC are not related to the price of minerals. The concessions for most minerals belong to a small number of citizens and not the country. In addition, reserves of foreign currencies and minerals (eg gold, copper) would ensure currency stability - and they don't exist. In brief, there's too much tip-toeing around in this article and editors should be more direct in showing evidence of the corrupt practices that is responsible for the "woes" of Congo. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

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Population
When has the DRC population reached 101 million? And with what sources? Nlivataye (talk) 12:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Arabic
This is bullshit; Arabic in the DRC??? What are the sources and if it is spoken it’s a very tiny tiny minority just like it will be in China or Mongolia Nlivataye (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Flag
The modern flag of Congo(Kinshasa) is clearly based on the flag of the old Congo Free State. There is controversy over the abuses of that State. If the Free State is as bad a memory as many think, then why is its flag used in the design of the modern flag? This is puzzling. Some discussion of the thinking here would improve the article. 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:D0C7:5153:57C8:8976 (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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Lithium...how much is produced and by who ???
How much lithium is produced and by whom?? 175.156.110.190 (talk) 09:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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Resource curse ?
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