Talk:Demographics of Hong Kong/Archive 1

Vietnamese
Why is there a seperate section for Vietnamese in Hong Kong? They're not the largest minority there right? There story may be compelling, but I think a link to the Vietnamese in Hong Kong article (which should be created with the information here) would be more appropriate.. TastyCakes 06:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The Vietnamese section has been moved to its own entry and can be accessed from the Demographics of Hong Kong menu on the right. Hong Qi Gong 17:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This series needs work.
This series need some serious work. About half the links on the menu are blank entries. And the menu seems confusing to me. Instead of categorising "People" by ethnicities and nationalities, would it make more sense to categorise them by socio-economic groups? Hong Qi Gong 01:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Socio-economic groups like what? TastyCakes 07:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, for example, I noticed that "New Immigrants" and "Punti" were both individual menu options. "New Immigrants" is not an ethnicitiy, and arguably "Punti" is not an ethnicity either.  I've also added "Returnee".  Here are a couple of things I want to suggest:
 * We can collapse the Britons and Americans into "Expatriates", I'm not sure we have enough to write about Americans in Hong Kong. Likewise, there are probably other expats that are not Americans or Brits who are not distinctive enough to write an entire entry about them.
 * Same with Indonesian and Thai, I'm not sure there are enough to write about them, their story is similar to Filipinos in Hong Kong. We can have "Foreign Domestic Worker".  I know it sounds possibly offensive to have the Southeast Asian groups in "Foreign Domestic Worker", but for one, it's a well-recognised fact that most Southeast Asians in HK are foreign domestic workers, and secondly, we don't have to break the entry down by ethnic groups.
 * I'm not sure how much of each Chinese ethnicities listed we can write about. Maybe we can get rid of the breakdown of Chinese by ethnicity.  And I was especially wondering what there is to write about the Cantonese in HK, because they are the majority anyway and a lot of info about them are basically covered in the numerous entries we already have about HK.
 * That all sounds reasonable to me. Beats having a bunch of empty topics for sure.  TastyCakes 06:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So this is what the new options under "People" would look like:
 * Native Locals (Puntis)
 * New Immigrants
 * Returnees
 * Foreign Domestic Workers
 * South Asians
 * Vietnamese
 * Expatriates
 * Is that good? (OK, I really didn't want to order that list alphabetically because I'd hate to give people the impression that expats are the most important people in HK...)
 * Hong Qi Gong 06:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought I am tempted to leave Filipinos by itself as a menu option, but just get rid of Thai and Indonesian if there is not enough to write about them. If South Asians and Vietnamese are distinctive enough to write entries for, then arguably Filipinos are also distinctive enough to write an entry for.  There are Filipino bands and also Filipino businesses that are built around the Filipino community in HK.  I really don't know.  Because Foreign Domestic Worker is definitely a distinctive demography also.  What do you think?  Maybe do both?  Hong Qi Gong 06:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not just a category called "Southeast Asians"? That would include vietnamese as well. And what is the difference between them and expats really. They are both temp. residents in HK for work. We are not gonna discriminate them by what type of work they do. --Kvasir 00:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Foreign Domestic Workers in Hong Kong article is a good measuring stick. If each group can have as much content as that page, it would be great.  Research for a combined population of 5% is not easy.  Benjwong 03:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On second thought I am tempted to leave Filipinos by itself as a menu option, but just get rid of Thai and Indonesian if there is not enough to write about them. If South Asians and Vietnamese are distinctive enough to write entries for, then arguably Filipinos are also distinctive enough to write an entry for.  There are Filipino bands and also Filipino businesses that are built around the Filipino community in HK.  I really don't know.  Because Foreign Domestic Worker is definitely a distinctive demography also.  What do you think?  Maybe do both?  Hong Qi Gong 06:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not just a category called "Southeast Asians"? That would include vietnamese as well. And what is the difference between them and expats really. They are both temp. residents in HK for work. We are not gonna discriminate them by what type of work they do. --Kvasir 00:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Foreign Domestic Workers in Hong Kong article is a good measuring stick. If each group can have as much content as that page, it would be great.  Research for a combined population of 5% is not easy.  Benjwong 03:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Cantonese -> Punti
I've made Cantonese people in Hong Kong a redirect page that goes to Punti. I was trying to think of what to write for the article and I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't already covered in Punti or Cantonese people. Or should we just eliminate the "Cantonese" link on the menu? Hong Qi Gong 15:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

One of the reason behind HK's low birth rate...
One of the reason behind HK's low birth rate is the sex-ratio imbalance. On the one hand, HK have more women than men,on the other hand, HK's single men look to mainland for spouse. I wonder if i could add this item in this subject, or maybe other subject? I have some figues and statistics to support this argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toafay06 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Only if it's not original research. There are many reasons behind low birth rate, and it's very complex. India and China both have sex-ratio imbalance. But India has a much higher birthrate. Scandinavian countries also have low birthrate, and it's reflective of cultural and social conditions of the countries. --Kvasir 01:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I am confused by the birth statistics quoted here: With just 1,032 babies born in 2009 to every 1000 fertile women, it is estimated that 26.8% of the population will be aged 65 or more in 2033, up from 12.1% in 2005. If every fertile woman had at least one child in 2009, wouldn't this show a high birth rate instead of a low one? Texasmom23 (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)Texasmom23 Aug. 22, 2011

Merge from Hongkonger
Please merge relevant content, if any, from [ Hongkonger] per Articles for deletion/Hongkonger. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-07 06:37Z 
 * I made a merge of the now deleted Hong Konger page. All those terminologies in that article are now in a table.  Took some time to see how it should be re-presented.  If anyone does not like it, I welcome changes.  Just not the same random dialogues based on lending seats to people on the subway etc.  Here are some other comments to make sure this page stays readable.


 * If someone really need to compare people in Hong Kong and people from China, please discuss in a talk page, not in an actual article.
 * Any social political content, please put in politics of Hong Kong
 * No more unreferenced statistics and opinion surveys please
 * All sections regarding culture, language, education belong in their own articles. A link will be visible in the culture-demographics template soon.
 * The demolition of Murray House 1982, The Star Ferry Pier Dec 14th, 2006, The wedding card street, Lee Tung House Street (demolition underway), The police station (demolition underway) belong in Architecture of Hong Kong.
 * All citizenship info belong in any one of these British National (Overseas), Hong Kong SAR passport, Hong Kong Certificate of Identity, Document of Identity, Hong Kong Re-entry Permit.


 * Benjwong 00:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I reckon Hong Konger is a seperate entry. There is an entry of Hong Konger in Chinese wikipedia. They should know more than us.

One-child-policy
Is the one-child-policy also valid in Hong Kong? This would (partially) explain the low birth rate. By the way, there are two contradicting data given in the article: 0.9 in the introduction, 0.98 in the data list (which should be rounded to 2.0). Which one is correct? Dagadt (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently, it's not: A Google search results e.g. in and |  HK promotes 'three child policy'. Which makes the low birth rate even more surprising... --Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Caucasian?
Why should caucasian be for example Americans? Aren´t that people from the region caucasus?

cantonese
there should be a breakdown of what % of hk is from guangdong, fujian, shanghai, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 897237428x9742389 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The census in 1960's show taishanese people make up 30-40%, and the old census in 1950's shows 52% from guangzhou, 19% taishan. The 30-40% taishanese population is not from migrants, but more because of reproducing. So basically the vast majority of the hong kong population are cantonese people.

WarriorsPride6565 (talk) 8:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Source of First Four Census Data
I looked through the source given for the first four census data points (Sanderson, Edgar). It does not seem to have any information about Hong Kong at all. I did not want to put the failed verification tag because I only read through the contents and glanced through a few sections that looked promising. I also had my pdf reader search for Hong and Kong, and there were no results. This, however, could be because the document was digitized automatically and the thing that makes text selectable may have missed Hong Kong. The source can be found at http://sunzi1.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/44/4401283.pdf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QRS III (talk • contribs) 01:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

People are not cities
This does not make sense to me, please clarify. "The term 'densely populated, green city' is used to describe the majority of the people" Thanks. 220.241.144.250 (talk) 01:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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"Ethnicity"
Under the section Non-Chinese ethnic groups, it lists "Australian", "American", "Canadian", etc. These are nationalities, not ethnic groups. I suggest rewording to either refer to ethnicities, or to change the distinction to nationality, rather than ethnicity. Kdm852 (talk) 08:34, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I've separated 'ethnicity' and 'nationality' into separate sections.Kdm852 (talk) 06:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)