Talk:Demographics of Pakistan/Archive 1

Deobandi & Barelvi: most Pakistanis would say they are neither
Most Pakistani Sunnis do not identify themselves as either Deobandi or Barelvi. Simple reality check: ask a few Pakistanis if they are Deobandi or Barelvi. Quite likely, you'll get a blank stare in response. Most people don't even know what these terms mean. The people who do know tend to be either highly educated or highly religious, and even they don't necessarily identify with one or the other. Some are just confused as which sect they might belong to. Fro example, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said in April, "Sometimes I get confused about my own identity as a Muslim and I have to think really hard on which sect I belong to.". I just ran a Google search for a few religious terms on Pakistan top-level domain, (.pk) and here are the results:


 * Muslim: 245000 matches.
 * Deobandi 345 matches.
 * Barelvi 378 matches.

Obviously Deobandi and Barelvi are not very widely-used terms, and it is easy to imagine that many Muslims, far from identifying as Deobandi or Barelvi, are neither. EastBayer 22:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The statistics of people adhering to a particular school is evident by the number of Madrasahs and Masjids. It is also true that among Sunnis, that they pray in any Sunni Masjid. Both facts are true. So both should be mentioned.
 * Siddiqui 13:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The article says that percentage of non-shia muslims(who will identify themselves ultimately as sunnis) is 77%. This is absolutely bull shit. This CIA figure is meaningless since in pakistan population survey they do not ask about your affiliation with sunni or shia background. So both the figures for sunnis and shias must be removed provided a referrence from pakistan official population survey is provided. Sunnis in pakistan are believed to exceed 90% of population if this question about your affiliation with sunni or shia background is included in the next official population survey, which has not been done until today. You cannot estimate the numbers of shias by the size of their processions on 10th of muharram since most of people in those crowds are ordianry sunnis who would just go in shia processions as the spektators to watch the circus show held by shias on the 10th of muharram.

Pakistani statistics don't include the areas controlled by India
I removed the statement that "Although Pakistani statistics claim a small number of Buddhists on its territory, these Buddhists actually live in Ladakh in Indian Administered Kashmir, which Pakistan claims." Pakistani statistics don't include Indian-controlled areas, because Pakistan claims them as potentially parts of Pakistan, subject to a referendum by their people. The Pakistani government doesn't claim that they are currently part of Pakistan. EastBayer 22:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Historical demographics
What of demographics prior to 1971 when Bangladesh was known as East Pakistan and the Bengali population was massive.  — N o b l e e a g l e  [TALK]  [C] 02:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

poorly written
This is suppossed to talk about the ethnic groups of Pakistan not just languages.Instead it talks about Arabic,Persian.What has that got to do with Pakistani people? Just because they recite the Quran in Arabic or once spoke persian?

Not much mention of the cultures of the ethnic group.And as for Turkish being the language of the Mughals is very flawed.Mughals might have similar origins to the Turkic people's,with similar languages but they didn't speak Turkish.

Also note that Turkish and urdu are from different language families so it is not the parent language of Urdu.Just really lent words to it that's all.

And South Asia is not India.India is a country in South Asia.

Until someone can help make major corrections, Please do not remove the templates as I placed them there for a reason and a good reason too.--Vmrgrsergr 18:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Their was no good reason for putting the tags on Persian, and Arabic. Urdu and Hindi have had significant influence from Persian. The national anthem is in Persian. Persian was once the language of the subcontinent, and the major urdu poets like Iqbal, and Ghalib wrote in Persian. IP198 00:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Word 'Paki'
Is this word offensive? Or just a short for Pakistani? Does this word includes everyone from Pakistan or just a certian group??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.34.140.197 (talk) 01:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

While the word itself means Pure or Pure one, the term is often used in a derogatory manner historically so its best to avoid it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.164.238 (talk) 02:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No Conclusive proof of Brahui being Dravidian
As far as many well reputed linguists and various studies that have been done show that there is no clear cut evidence that Brahui is a dravidian based language. Furthermore, this is even denied by the Brahui themselves. Nearly 75% of the language, tense and proverbs of Brahui bring it closer to the Iranic language tree. It should not be stated as fact here when in reality, the true origins of the Brahui language are still far from being fully understood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.164.238 (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Non-indigenous
Any idea, where we can find information about Non-indigenous ethnic groups in Pakistan?--  Gaikokujin  talk  07:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Anti-Urdu bias
People are putting in their POV that Urdu was used to phase out Persian. Let's get it straight. The Persian of the achmedian empire was ancient persian, now extinct. It is not the same as the modern persian used since recent times. Urdu was in use since the Mughal era. How else do people think Urdu became a synonym for Hindustani? You think the name Urdu evolved out of a British word?

I know there's a number of Persian/Arab worshipers amongst Pan-Islamic Ummah Pakistanis who are pushing for the languages of the Middle East to be nationalised in Pakistan. Sadly for you your Arab and Iranian masters won't return the favor. They look down upon you

Urdu was developed under Mughal rule. They are now extinct. So it is now a neutral language not belonging to any specific ethnic group.

Cut it out. Until you can give a good reason for your bias, the POV template stays in that section. Besides how is the reasons behind officialising Urdu relevant to the language demographics of Pakistan?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.90.213 (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Urdu is a relatively new language, the Persian language, principally the Dari form (still spoken in Afghanistan) was used in the Pakistan region up until the time of the Sikh Empire and even for some time after the British conquest of Pakistan and its subsequent amalgamation with the rest of South Asia. It is a well documented fact that the British abolished the Persian (Dari) language and encouraged the use of Urdu. It was the British colonial rulers who changed the format of Land ownerships, and wedding certificates into the now contemporary Urdu format which is used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.63.131.167 (talk) 19:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Could someone fix the maternal mortality rate - it isn't 300/1000
Hi, The main article lists the maternal mortality at 300/1000, which means a third of the women giving birth die. This seemed a bit high, so I checked the source. In the source, the "300" number is something defined as the "Maternal Mortality --Ratio--" not rate. Unfortunately, the PDF neglects to include a definition of this number. But that document lists the "ratio" as 1080 for Angola, so it clearly can't be the number of maternal deaths per 1000. That would require that all Angolan mothers die in childbirth, and an additional 8% of them have to die twice. I'm a physical scientists, so maybe someone with demographics background could fix this. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.244.68 (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Languages of Pakistan
In the presence of main article only crisp and precise summary is needed here so deleted un necessary repetitive sentences. 39.32.81.196 (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Why is CIA World Fact Book's language reference still being used?? when Pakistans own censusBold text gives more accurate numbers when CIA's umbers are estimations??!!182.180.61.170 (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Pashtuns are second largest ethnic group not saraiki or sindhi...Its punjabies, pashtuns, sindhis, and saraiki.. as per census182.180.61.170 (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Numbers of speakers of larger languages (table)
There are some errors on the 2008 section: the sum is 174,905 million (2,005 million more), percent for "Others" cannot be the same as "Balochi" because "Others" has 1,88 million more speakers according to the list. If "Others" population was 6,084,150 and percent 3.52, the list would match but hard to say what it is supposed to be, since there is no source for anything in the whole "Languages" section. 85.217.15.79 (talk) 23:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Ahmadis as non-Muslims
Why are Ahmadis stated as non-Muslims, when they consider themselves as Muslims? I am aware that they are not recognized as Muslims by Pakistani law, but is that really the case worldwide?

Demographics
What a shit article, lol - Dravidian-Punjabis trying to relate themselves to Persians and other superior races! What a bloody joke...

What a joke, Pakistan is like 60 year old country! if they have Persian ancestor then so does all of India lol Pakistan has 0 Persian ancestry the only difference between Indian and A Pakistani is religious. Pakistanis have become a joke with all this nonsense.

'''Surprisingly, Pakistan's own census data is being ignored. which shows that Punjabies are 38 percent while pashtuns are 18 percent and so forth!!'''101.50.95.85 (talk) 20:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Grotesquely racist "superior races" and vulgar "sh*t". This is what Wikipedia's about? Furbian (talk) 14:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)