Talk:Demographics of Russia

Extermination of Russians by West
It should be stressed that current demographic situation is result of extermination of Russians by West (compare with Native Americans etc.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 13:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Huh? Without sources, this would not belong in Wikipedia.  Should you have reliable sources, then feel free to edit the article.  After all, anyone can edit Wikipedia.  N2e (talk) 01:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * yep, kgb speaking. 81.162.244.139 (talk) 08:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You have daily speeches from US and EU politicians that Russia must be destroyed and Russians exterminated, what else do you need? 2A02:A45E:72A7:1:DABB:C1FF:FEAC:7283 (talk) 10:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Then what does this have to do with this article? It's about the people living, giving birth, receiving education, aging, dying IN RUSSIA. If the US overtakes Russia someday, those issues may be relevant with this article. But clearly it's not today. Hoeyonus Koqus (talk) 13:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

hiv
Here's this bit the U.S. Department of State had with the "HIV/AIDS" and "population aging" sections:
 * The high growth rate of AIDS cases will have negative economic consequences, as investment will suffer from the diversion of private and government funds to AIDS treatment. The problems of population aging will be magnified, especially since about 60% of infected individuals in Russia are between 20 and 30 years of age.

Feel free to add it if you can find a way to do it without feeling like a callous bastard for reducing terminal illness to negative economic consequences. signed, the typically aspiring-to-logic-and-NPOV Koyaanis Qatsi
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Cross time analysis
I saw a table for France which shows the population of the region dating back to 50 B.C. How it went from a pop. of 2 million to current standards. Is it at all possible to add a table like that for Russia? Chicken

-#russiaisachickendudis


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Cholera in Russia?
I live in Russia and I've never heard of any major cholera outbreak, and the few minor outbreaks that occurred were treated with utmost resolution. Cholera is not a significant risk for any region of Russia I've been to (can't say for remote ones). Either provide credible statistics or get your facts straight. dscsdacadsdc


 * What specific statement are you talking about? If you've got sources, just edit the article yourself.  anyone can edit Wikipedia. N2e (talk) 01:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Educashun
Umm, you're education figures don't add up: (99.99 + 97.01)/2 != 98! It's more like 98.5%. I took the liberty to change that. On the other hand, very nice picture of Church of Christ Our Saviour. Whoever put that in, (and I don't usually compliment Wikipedians) but you rock dude/dudette! Very nice image.

- User ABC


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Axxn 06:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why there are so many of Siberian people in Ukraine??? (Orocks,Negidals,Nivkh.etc). Is this because Ukranians falsely identifying as Siberians? See This


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jewish
Becouse of antisemtism exact numbers isn't know. But real numbers are much more higher, than official statistics. Same goes for tatars and other minorities, becouse of fear of xenophobia exact official numbers are greatly smaller than real.


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density
Maybe a nice attribution would be if someone made a map that shows the population density in Russia, there's a few examples.


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TFR for 2011
I have created maps showing TFR for 2011.




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Geographical limits in historical data
The article should be much clearer on what areas are included in the older data. Does "Russia" in 1927, 1939 etc mean the RSFSR (essentially = modern-day Russia), or the Soviet Union? Where do I go if I want to find out the population growth of Imperial Russia (in its entirety) up till 1914? 195.67.149.169 (talk) 08:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Concur. This is important and we can hope editors come along who are interested in fixing this. N2e (talk) 01:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

How 'bout the birth rate after late 2022?
Do we have any good statistical data on the Russian birth rate after the events of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the resultant sanctions on Russia, and the stepped up emigration? Seems there are some marked changes in the socio/cultural environment year-on-year, but I've not been able to locate any good data on the monthly birth rates after the start of the war.

I see some debate in the previous section about 2022 total population... but nothing on what the birth rate has been doing the past five or six months. N2e (talk) 02:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * If there is going to be information there would be most definitely be on Russia's statistical website of ROSSTAT (recommend getting Chrome if you don't have it as it offers translation features for non-English web pages). I don't have much time at the moment to do a full deep dive of the data or if there exists any better sources with more up to date stuff but on ROSSTAT anyway for the birth rate it comes under (google translated) 'Vital movement of the population' (Естественное движение населения) and goes up to 2021 (not sure if that is the latest on this page anyway). Tweedle (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Tweedle. I suppose the with most of this nation state statistical info, we're mostly stuck with what the government publishes.  Do we know if Russian institution at ROSSSTAT tend to just report real data?  Or do they get their "data" filtered through a Siloviki handler?  I would assume there might be some western intelligence data that also reports on Russian statistics, but it all gets kind of complicated to chase down. N2e (talk) 03:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would not have a clue on that front no sorry. Usually births and deaths are calculated (and thus the crude birth/death rate) by collections via the registry (of said country) of registered deaths and births for said period, whether that's handled by one of those people I am not sure but I would assume not on lists of ministries noted down? I can't say for certain sadly.
 * On the point of secondary sources, usually you can additionally go off of stuff provided and calculated by higher international bodies such as the UN and their World Population Prospects for example in this case, however I usually would say it is best to wait intill the government of respective nation states put stuff out unless its an exceedingly long period of time they have not updated such stuff. There are currently estimates on the WPP if you would like to have a look anyway (last update for it was in November 2022).
 * On your article linked, try here (you can usually circumvent such stuff via archive.today but you didn't hear that from me :) ). There seems to be good emigration figures on there if you want to add them anyway, additionally on here as well which covers it in more detail. Tweedle (talk) 13:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * This source might have something, but its behind a paywall so I cannot read all of it. Russia’s population crisis is making Putin more dangerous, Washington Post, 14 March 2023. N2e (talk) 03:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If Russia's statistics office counts the annexed areas in their population figure, I'd say that number should go into the article, but we have to have a note that explains this and notes that the annexations aren't internationally recognized. Ideally, the number of people that were added by counted the annexed areas should also be shown. I will add a note that annexed areas may not be included and that the annexations aren't recognized by most countries. We have that note for Crimea anyway already, so I hope everyone will be ok with this. Thanks everyone! --Chaptagai (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I now added a neutral note. I hope everyone is ok with this. --Chaptagai (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly fine @Chaptagai, I was meant to respond to this and apologies for not. Also fixed the population amount that was changed on the edit previous to yours. Tweedle (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Population up in 2022?
I have noticed that the population in 2022 ticked up despite a birth deficit, war deaths and emigration. Is this because the annexed areas are counted in the Russian population? I wouldn't say that's necessarily wrong if Russia's statistics office counted them at the end of 2022, but there would have to be a note explaining this and also noting that the annexation is not recognized by the vast majority of countries worldwide. Chaptagai (talk) 09:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed that I asked the same question before, LOL, so this can be deleted or archived. Sorry for the inconvenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaptagai (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Population "excluding Crimea" in the infobox
The infobox gives a population of "144,699,673 (excluding Crimea)" I would suggest to change that into "(pre-2014 borders)" or something to that effect, because Russia has annexed more regions in addition to Crimea and I suppose these aren't included as well. Chaptagai (talk) 19:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Crimea should be completely excluded as the absolute majority of United Nations member countries recognize this as Ukrainian territory under temporary occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.162.244.139 (talk) 08:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Infobox issues
Growth rate: -0.39 (2020) -- What are the units here? I assume it is people but is that per day/month/year/decade/census period?

Increase/Decrease arrows -- as compared to ??? Is that from previous years numbers, some previous Census numbers?

Ender8282 (talk) 14:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * All would be annual, considering it is taken from the vital statistics yearbook produced annually, see here Tweedle (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding 'coloring' matters at Vital statistics section
If you have reasons to why it need 'coloring' red and blue color on 'specific' columns or rows, please provide it below. EdhyRa (talk) 01:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Credibility of Russian statistics

Are current birth and death numbers credible? Certainly not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.87.88 (talk) 21:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Isn’t it redundant?
________ Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the demographic crisis in the country has deepened, as the country has reportedly suffered high military fatalities while facing renewed brain drain and human capital flight ————

I would change it to: ________ While facing renewed human capital flight (brain drain). —————— Noth1998 (talk) 21:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)