Talk:Demographics of Serbia/Archive 1

Removed part
Removed part: ''Demographic projections of the future population of Serbia predict that in 2030, the population of Serbia will be composed of 7,200,000 Albanians and 6,300,000 Serbs. The projections are based on the fact that the ethnic Albanian population of Serbia doubles every twenty years (for example 646,000 Albanians in 1961; 1,226,000 Albanians in 1981), while the ethnic Serb population has remained at a number of approximately 6,000,000 (for example 6,016,000 Serbs in 1971; 6,352,000 Serbs in 2002). The slight increase of the Serb population is the result of immigration from Bosnia and Croatia rather than of natural growth.''

This is highly disputable claim and, in general, xenophobic rhetorics in Serbia. There are a lot of other factors then pure "fact" that "ethnic Albanian population of Serbia doubles every twenty years". So, please, if you want to keep one disputed political xenophobic rhetorics in the article -- add relevant references before you back that in the article. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 21:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * E Miloše, what you think about this: http://panonija.blog.hr/arhiva-2005-07.html Quote: "Iako je Kosovo puno Albanaca vec negdje dva stoljeca, Srbi su uvjereni da je to njihov teritorij. Ljudi mi moramo moliti Boga da Kosovo ostane u Srbiji. Zasto? Vrlo jednostavno. Za 100 godina Albanci ce u tome slucaju biti apsolutna vecina u Srbiji. Kako je Srbija najheterogenija europska drzava, puno je svih nacionalnih manjina od Madjara, Hrvata, Bosnjaka, Rumunja, Slovaka, Roma i ne znam koga sve ne (e da ima Kineza), ako se u tu racunicu ubroje Albanci, srpska nacionalna vecina ce se istopiti kad velis keks. Kako Albanci imaju astronomski prirodni prirastaj od oko 20 promila (nitko ziv u Europi to nema, osim Roma), Srbija ce postati albanska. Albanski ce postati sluzbeni jezik u Srbiji. Albanci ce sjediti u srpskom parlamentu. Hahahahhahah. A vrli Beograd ce postati Beljgrad. U ocekivanju toga blazenog dana kada ce Romi i Albanci biti vecina u Srbiji. Pero vise nego veseli". Interesting text, right? I really do not see reason that we remove section about future demographics of Serbia, although, I will try to find data from some official sources of the statistical office of Serbia to post it here. PANONIAN   (talk)  03:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

This page is incomplete
This page contains only info about Ethnic composition of Serbia there is no info about religions literacy, life expectancy at birth etc.. this is the worst demographics article on wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defufna (talk • contribs)


 * Welcome to the Balkans. Who cares about literacy, life expectancy etc? It's only important that there's more us than them.


 * Besides...
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 * ok ok your right.. I was hoping someone will do that for me :) anyway I've done it myself..--Defufna 16:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Future demographic trends
''Since Central Serbia and Vojvodina have very low natural increase of population, while Kosovo have the largest natural increase of population in Europe, some demographers predict that already by 2010, the population of Central Serbia will number only 2,100,000 people, the population of Vojvodina only 800,000 people, while population of Kosovo will increase to 4,400,000. ''

I deleted this. People, it says that by 2010, in four years, the population of Central Serbia and Vojvodina would be more than behalfed(from 5,466,009 to 2,100,000 for Central Serbia), which is just ridiculous. When I opened the so-called reference, it turned out a shallow newspapers article which had "we all gone die" low-brow bombasticness all over it. First, after SOMEONE by a name of Biljana Spasic states these absurd numbers in a couple of sentences without going anywhere further(I bet she is supposed to be some sort of "expert"), the article goes into a crapload of rhetorics without any in-depth statistics to back-up the hyperbolic claims.

And even worse, that thing stands alone, which would get a reader to believe that this outlandish and obviously POV(meant to be bombastic) study is a sole fact.

Get an official study. -- Henk65 18:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the demographic problem is such severe as described by the article. As a lot of serbians particularly the young people are working abroad, temporarily or permanently, this has contributed to the old population age and low birthrate and high death rate, such phenomenon is common among the east bloc, such as Romanian and Bulgarian and Ukrainian, Eastern bloc countries needs to improve the economy, create more jobs and lifting the living standards, then people will come back to their home afterwards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.216.151.108 (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo and Serbia
Kosovo and Serbia (in old borders) is disputed. Beacose of this argument, this articel most be cleaned--Hipi Zhdripi (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

No one says in here that Kosovo is a independent country, its just the numbers. because serbian government can only conduct their census within their reach. so excluding kosovo number will be easier to understand. and everyone agrees that serbia, along with other balkan orthodox countries needs more babies! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.73.78.62 (talk) 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Kosovo
Why is everything "Serbia (without Kosovo)", I want to see population numbers prior to 2002 in Serbia including Kosovo and the information is completely erased from Wikipedia... 99.236.221.124 (talk) 17:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Ummm anything WITH Kosovo?
Serbia is still legally made up of Central Serbia, Voj and Kosovo, so how come there is NO demographic information for Serbia AS A WHOLE. It isn't being bias and being either pro-serbian or pro-kosovo, it's just that wikipedia has to display information, which those figures will do. Bezuidenhout (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It is emphasized that provided data are referring to the Serbian population not including Kosovo. Only practical reasons like inability for Serbian statistical office to collect and publish data from Kosovo disenable publishing here not political.

I would like to appeal to you all - vital statistics given in the table with calculated rates are obtained as official data by Serbian statistical office. I don't see any point of changing it of one's own accord. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookey34 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

what is the reason for such a low birthrate?
can we have more experts explain why people living in Serbia don't want to have children rather than plainly numbers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.116.111.28 (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Number of croatians in Serbia in 1991 (Composition of Central Serbia and Vojvodina)
I have seen than it is written "9412443" croatians in 1991 table, i think that it is wrong because it is not related with the percentage (1.2%). Please fix it, sorry about my english —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.216.194.81 (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo in the demographics of Serbia
I would remind that Kosovo was officially part of Serbia until 2008, also for those states that have recognized Kosovo as an independent state from 2008. Under the presidency of George Bush Jr. Kosovo was still part of Serbia also for the United States of America, for example. Kosovo should be included in the demographics of Serbia at least until 2008. Everything else suggested that Kosovo never was part of Serbia, and that is cheaper Historical Revisionism and the claims of Wikipedia not worthy. Wikipedia should inform (moreover information and truth is a foundation of democracy and a free society), not propagate subjective political views and ideologies and other wishes what would have been IF.... IF I had know it, I would have invested a few hundred dollars to Mark Zuckerberg then in 2003 or 2004, I would be a millionaire today; but I didn't know it. The fact is: Kosovo was part of Serbia in modern history from 1912 until 2008! --Carski (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Too long to navigate
I propose that we make those long lists full of data collapsable, which would make the article look nicer and cleaner. Sadko (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced changes
You can't just change numbers and leave the references. Those numbers are verifiable from those references that are cited (see WP:V). If you have some better/new sources, you can add them, but don't just change number without changing sources.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)