Talk:Demographics of Sweden/Archive 1

Assyrians
Is there anyway where I can find out the number of Assyrians in Sweden? Chaldean 17:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 50,000 according to this website:  --Salleman 22:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Population Racial Makeup
I can't seem to find it but why is there nothing on it? Like "86% of the Swedish Population is actually Swedish" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.12.195 (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Simply because "being Swedish" is not a race in itself. There are no official statistics available in Sweden on racial demographics. Philaweb   T - C  10:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Swedish is of course a race of itself, exactly like norweigians and danes. Just some leftist try to let people belive something else. I disagree. I see danes, swedes and norwegians (Icelanders?) as one race, and I also believe that this is ethnicaly correct.

all native Europeans, Middle-Easterners, North Africans and South Asians are the same race, Caucasian. The word you're looking for is ethnicity, not race. --86.148.57.131 (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Of course there is the Germanic race. How can you say that we would be racially related to ME-people? That's pathetic.

no. danes, swedes , islanders and norwigians are part of the north germanic race and language group. germans, swiss-germans, austrians,dutch and the english are part of the west germanic race. The east germanics (vandals, wisigoths) died out around 600 past jesus. That is the correct scientific differencation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.216.58 (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Language family and race is not the same thing. I would be surprised if the Swedes are more closely related to Austrians than to Finns. Aaker (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * According to this site, that seems to be the case. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Religion
How can an estimated 46-85% of the population not believe in God, when 78% of the population belongs to the Church of Sweden? Philaweb  T - C  16:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Because until very recently persons born in Sweden automatically became members of the Church of Sweden and will stay members until they choose to leave. I.e. a lot of members of the church do not attend, or aren't religious at all. / David


 * Can you elaborate on the term "automatically", please? Philaweb   T - C  16:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Until less then a decade ago the Church of Sweden was the official state religion of Sweden, meaning that all citizens became members upon birth unless they could prove that they were an active member of a different church/religion. As such, even atheists and other irreligious people had no choice but to be members of the church. People born in this decade are not made members of the church upon birth, but older people have to fill out a form if they want to leave the church, something many have not bothered to do. As such more than half of Sweden's population don't believe in God but are registered members of the Church of Sweden nevertheless. I see no contradiction in the statement "an estimated 46-85% of the population do not believe in God while 78% of the population belongs to the Church of Sweden". &mdash;Gabbe 08:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay then, thanks for the explanation. Perhaps if this explanation was added to the text, then it would not be contradictory to me and perhaps others as well. Philaweb   T - C  08:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Why has the fact that 46 - 85% of the population of Sweden don't believe in God not been added to the article? I'll add it myself, then. Addie777 (talk) 00:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the source for 10% of the population being neopagan? It seems incredible. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently the info was put in by an anonymous editor, it looks biased and implausible. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity
Here it says "Also in the farthest North a small indigenous population of Samis live". This is simplistic, I think, because most Samis do not practice reindeer husbandry along the mountain range, which follows the Swedish eastern border south of the middle of Sweden (so it can hardly be the "farthest North"). I've read somewhere that the majority of Swedish Samis live in Stockholm. Furthermore, the article should at least recognize that since 1999, there are five official minority languages, from which follows that people speaking Romani and Yiddish could be mentioned here. Mad Greg (talk) 05:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe it is correct that the Finns settled to any larger extent in Mälardalen. They settled in places called Finnmarken e.g. in North Värmland, Orsa etc. Those areas are also in "central" Sweden, but not part of Mälardalen (which was already settled at the time of the first wave of Finn immigration--Gunnar Rundgren (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistencies
The presentation of national origin statistics is misleading and may conceal some erroneous data. For instance, the second claims that 5% of the population is Finnish, but then says that there are 200,000 Finns, which comes out to a bit more than 2%. Either these numbers don't represent the same people (though the language suggests that they do), or there's an error in here somewhere. Mangoe (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have updated this section with some official statistics, which don't say anything about the breakdown of ethnic identity for native-born Swedes. If the other material doesn't get cited, I'm inclined to remove it. Mangoe (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Use of word "lappish"
This word I would consider to be derogatory (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_languages). Therefore, I'm changing all instances to "sami". 193.150.250.36 (talk) 01:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Pop. figures
In the Ethnic estimate January 2012 section, an anonymous IP has been removing the official 37846 population figure for Somali expats according to this Statistics Sweden table. He/she claims that the Somalis are already subsumed under the general heading "From Muslim-majority countries" along with other Muslims (c.f. ). This is despite the fact that "Muslim-majority countries" or Muslims obviously don't constitute a single ethnicity nor is such an entry included in the aforecited Stats Sweden link. At the same time, the IP has been re-adding Somalis to the population pie chart template in the same section, although there is already an entry for those same "Muslim-majority countries" that Somalis would again presumably be subsumed under. The edits are thus contradictory and out-of-place. I've corrected them by making the ethnicity table only cover the population figures of actual ethnic groups. Middayexpress (talk) 18:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The IP has been changing ref'd content without edit summaries all over the project, and is on the point of being blocked for their disruption. Patience is wearing out in this case. RashersTierney (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Romani in Sweden
In the source provided by SVD, a newspaper which in itself doesn't provide any reliable source, it claims that "In Sweden there are approximately between 40,000 and 120,000 Roma". I feel that such a huge margin of error should be mentioned, and maybe the numbers should be removed altogether due to lack of a reliable source. The article also says "Jarmo Lainio, from the Committee of Experts, says the exact number is probably somewhere in between".

There is also inconsistency. For example, the "Romani people by country" article here on Wikipedia states that 15,000–20,000 or 28,092 Romani live in Sweden.

--94.255.146.60 (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Source for Current Vital Statistics
Where is the source for the number of births from January to May 2014? That seems like an awfully huge amount. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.214.56 (talk) 02:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

National demographics
Why isn't there any data on ethnic descendence? How is Sweden different from other countries in this perspective? Are there officially no descendents from immigrants living in Sweden, i.e. are they all paperless hidden away in ghettos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.19.217 (talk) 20:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

The major source of statistics for this article is the official authority, Statistics Sweden (SCB), that establishes and publishes demographic information about Sweden. They do not register ethnicity. You need to ask them why that is the case. I would imagine that it is very complicated to track ethicities and, moreover, the concept of ethnicities is very volatile and rapidly changing, beridden with "fairy-tale creations" (For instance, are the Chinese one ethnicity? Or were they made to think so to keep their country together?). Many countries do not provide official figures about ethnic descendence. This is the case in France, and so Sweden does not stand out in a European context. --Jonas Henriksson (talk) 05:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Its because Swedish statistics are derived from a civic registrar, so can only take into account country of origin, where applicable. It probably wouldn't hurt to have a section explaining this, as alot of English speakers just assume that a regular census where you tick a box is the norm globally when it isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.217.89.63 (talk) 08:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Ethnicity estimates
People keep bringing ethnicity up and obviously since it is not officially collected there are no statistics.

However, are there not estimates? Countries like France do not collect information on race and yet there are several recent estimates of the ethnic composition of the country. Are there no similar publications for Sweden?

--Darktheb (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Conflict with Immigration to Sweden Demographic
I think this pages conflicts with Immigration to Sweden. We for example write the history twice. To avoid maintaining both, should we try to fix this?

Immigration to Sweden is also little bit of a mess because of the enormous list of ethnic groups. Should we try to create a page for this similar to Race and ethnicity in the United States? For example stop redirecting Ethnic groups in Sweden to here? There is already the category (Category:Category:Ethnic groups in Sweden), but there seems to be demand for page.--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I now created List of ethnic groups in Sweden which took care of the issues at Immigration to Sweden. I think now that we have to figure out a way to make it clear that history of immigration here is only a summary compared to the history at Immigration to Sweden.--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)