Talk:Demographics of sexual orientation/Archive 2

Weasel-mania
"Most people in most societies around the world have mostly experienced heterosexual attraction and engaged in predominantly heterosexual behavior." Really, is it ever possible for a sentance with THREE "mosts" to not be POV? You can replace "heterosexual" with anything else in the world and have this sentance claim virtually anything.

It's just an incredibly awful sentence. It basically asserts that human sexual activity is predominantly heterosexual. Unless backed by comprehensive statistics this is speculation. An estimate, however educated, is still just a guess. However, a guess in itself is not necessarily POV. --JamesTheNumberless 13:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The sentence is badly worded, but how can it be called POV? Would it be POV to say the sky is blue, the ocean is mostly water, and that it's daylight when the sun is shining? Most people throughout time have been hetrosexual, that's how the human race has survived, and it isn't seriously doubted by anyone. Or are you suggesting that LGBT's are an oppressed majority? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.78.193 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 28 February 2014

Possible Improvement
It would be nice if we could add to the table showing numbers of GLBT individuals columns for the total population of each Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area at the relevant time, and the percentage of GLBT people in the area that this implies. This looks like the info but we would want a more authoritative source: http://home.nc.rr.com/planetzeb/citysize.htm  Mergy 23:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

New Scientist article regarding the effects of older siblings on sexuality
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17723884.900-the-big-brother-effect.html

This article talks about the effects that older male siblings have on the likelihood of later sons being homosexual. There is a suggestion at one point that as family sizes decrease we might also expect to see a decrease in the prevalence of homosexuality. Just thought it might be worth putting down as evidence for how the demographics of sexual orientation might potentially change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.178.236 (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Modern survey results
The article states: "1992: A study of 20,055 people found that 4.1% of the men and 12.6% of the women had at least one occurrence of intercourse with person of the same sex during their lifetime." Could someone please tell me what it means for women of the same sex to have "intercourse"? Thank you.Tstrobaugh (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Demographics in Australia
Could I please ask what the demographics are in Australia, in 2011? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.39.108 (talk) 08:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

MSM
Section “Western perception of homosexuality versus the rest of the world” says, “Terms such as MSM or “same gender loving” are often used in place of the word gay.” MSM ≠ gay. MSM describes men who actually have sex with men. These may include men who are attracted to women more than men, but like having sex with men as well. Gay men, in turn, may be celibate, just like straight men. (I suspect Nikola Tesla was probably straight, even though he was celibate.)--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 04:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Dumb question
Back in the 1970s and 80s, it used to be said by gay activists that one in ten are gay. Was this a newspaper headline error rather like it's easier for a woman to get killed by a terrorist than get married over 45? I'm not saying it belongs in the article but perhaps a "perception" section could prove useful. There has been a fair bit of argument over the numbers as people try to get political legitimacy for their views and to obtain funding.

Feel free to ignore me but I thought that the question would be interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.174.7 (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have any references? C T F 8 3 !  00:31, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Gay activists went for the 10% figure (based upon rounding some Kinsey findings) in part because it gave them a certain political weight to influence lawmakers. A 10% chunk of the voting public being heavily interested in gay rights is a motivating factor for getting legislators to back certain laws.  If it turns out that the gay population is actually more like 1 to 4%, there is far less incentive for them to rock the boat on these issues - as they are likely to upset more people than they'll please, and so spend political capital rather than earn it.  That's how politics works in a democratic society.  All advocacy groups know this.

I'm having trouble making a table
I decided to put all the Integrated Household Survey results throughout the years in a single table, as has been done before with other multi-year surveys. When I click on "Show preview", the table appears just fine, but when I click on "Save changes", it disappears entirely. Can anyone help? 2804:7F7:DC80:1E9:0:0:0:1 (talk) 17:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As everyone can see upon scrolling through the entry, the problem has been solved.2804:7F7:DC80:1E9:0:0:0:1 (talk) 22:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

The lead must give estimates of LGBT world population!
Seriously, this article fails to answer the key fact most people want to know: how many people in the world are LGBT. Yes, I am well aware we are dealing with imprecise estimates, most of which are limited to US, but with all due cautions and so on we should provide those estimates. I propose the following sentence: Estimates of LGBT population in the world vary significantly and are subject to controversy and ensuing debates (ex. does one homosexual experience suffice to categorize a person as homosexual or not); the most common ranges given are from 1% to 10% of the worlds population.. Feel free to propose alternate wording and better sources, but we should provide the key estimate that people are looking for in the lead, in a form of a simple sentence of short paragraph. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:11, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Piotrus, I understand why you made this edit; it's because the article is mostly about LGBT people and the lead failed to give an estimate. When it comes to general sexual orientation topics, though, the literature is always mostly about LGBT people. Scientists in the sexual orientation field spend more time trying to figure out why people are gay or lesbian, and how many are gay or lesbian, than they spend on anything else concerning sexual orientation. I tweaked your edit, though, since the article does include a bit of heterosexual data and since I'm not sure that the "ex. does one homosexual experience suffice to categorize a person as homosexual or not" sentence is an improvement. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Good call, as you are right, I got a bit confused regarding what this article is about (the bad lead does not help). But I hope we all agree that the lead should give estimates of people number worldwide by sexual orientation (with the usual caveats, etc.)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:53, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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