Talk:Demokratizatsiya (Soviet Union)

Copyright problems
Do you have permissions from allrefer.com? Do they allow the GDPL on their work? abakharev 08:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * This page was copied from, as indicated by the author. I checked this page, and it indicates that the material was taken from the library of congress country studies.  The library of congress indicates that such material is in the public domain, and is thus a legitimate source for wikipedia to copy .  --best, kevin  · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 14:59, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

This text is not a verbatim copy of LOC text (hint: google, not allRefer, is your best friend), hence it is still a copyvio. mikka (t) 23:16, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

It is a verbatim copy of their July 1996 entry on Russia, and thus public domain. That's the source for the material on reference.allrefer.com. 172 | Talk 23:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

What is to be done
Clearly, the article under this title is a misnomer. Clearly, this should be placed within the framework of the History of the Soviet Union. I asked an advice from user:172, who did most of the job. mikka (t) 23:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I did not notice the creation of this article until you pointed it out. I'll try to help you put it within the framwork of history of the Soviet Union (1985-1991), just as perestroika and glasnost. Much of the LOC entry can serve as a basis for the demokratizatsiya; but I'll try to flesh out the material so that it focuses on the specific policies called demokratizatsiya by Gorbachev, as opposed to going off topic and giving more a more general commentary on all the reforms. 172 | Talk 23:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope you will not let be this silly russism. Democratization in the USSR or Gorbachev's democratization are english words good enough. BTW, there are two sides: depoctarization of CPSU and democratization of USSR. They are related, but pretty much separable IMO.mikka (t) 23:26, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The point is well taken, but "demokratizatsiya" refers more specifically to the slogan for Gorbachev's proposal to hold multicandidate elections for local party and soviet offices in early 1987. In the same sense, the article on the slogan "perestroika" deals with Gorbachev's slogan first explicitly introduced at at a Central Committee plenum earlier in 1987. So this article is the place for detailed information on Gorbachev's policies introduced under the slogan "demokratizatsiya," while history of the Soviet Union (1985-1991) can offer the broader look at Gorbachev's reforms or democratization in the USSR. 172 | Talk 23:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There was no such slogan, it happened on the Russian Wikipedia by chance, I did not find this Цйфыву (talk) 15:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Still, unlike "perestroika" and "glasnost", the word did not become an English buzzword. Google for "demokratizatsiya -journal" (there is a Russian magazine that gives thousands of hits). 900 hits only, and only 279 unique ones, and half of them is allRefer. So as an article title it is not very well within wikipedia's policies about neologisms. mikka (t) 23:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. (I wonder if that has anything to do with how hard it would be to get a native English speaker to say "demokratizatsiya.") But since it had somewhat of a different meaning from Gorbachev's slogans that are better known in the English speaking world, I don't see how this article can hurt. This was the reasoning of the LOC, I suppose. In Chapter 2 their section on the Gorbachev era gives three Gorbachev reform slogans their own subsections: perestroika, glasnost, and demokratizatsiya. 172 | Talk 00:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, did you see my note on the copyright vio. I was able to confirm that the content was from the LOC. 172 | Talk 23:38, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad. I am surprized that the first phrase I picked, "unprecedented emergency Central Committee plenum called ", did not hit the LOC page. mikka (t) 23:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge.
Almost all the things said in the text are already said in History of the Soviet Union (1985-1991). I simply deleted almost all, and referenced to that article, since this whole article is completely unsourced and more talkative than encyclopedic. --Regebro 10:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Lopsided
The statement 'a "speed-up" of economic development, which failed miserably.' appears to be opinionated with an anti-uskoreniye slant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melias C (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For an example of what I would see as more neutral, how does 'an unsuccessful attempt at a "speed-up" of economic development' sound? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melias C (talk • contribs) 11:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)