Talk:Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Movie: Mugen Train/Archive 1

Requested move 30 October 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Infinity Train → Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train – The current title was made without any reason being provided, and does not conform with WP:COMMONNAME or WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. The most commonly used name on most reliable sources use "Mugen Train", not "Infinity Train", such as: Anime News Network, Crunchyroll News  , The Japan Times , The Mainichi , Kyodo News Plus , Deadline , and many others. Furthermore, the official translated name (provided by Aniplex of America) is "Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train", and "Infinity Train" is only really used in the sources to describe the plot, and not for the title of the work itself.

Alex Tenshi (talk&#124;contribs) 08:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per sources and common name. Enjoyer of World]]💬 10:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per these sources and equally common (and shorter) name Demon Slayer: Infinity Train, used by solely Polygon, Weekly Shonen Jump, Japan Forward, Bit Me,  Every Eye,   Asap Land,  Lega Nerd, Micky, and by Comic Book Resources interchangeably with the alternate Mugen Train title.        Cassandra872 (talk) 13:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The articles you have linked all need to have the date published, or language, taken into account. This is because usage of "Infinity Train" depends whether the article was published before July 3, 2020, the date where Aniplex of America and Funimation unveiled the official title.


 * The Polygon article was published in April 2020, and used "Infinity Train" as speculative. Polygon later switches to "Mugen Train" in later articles, and uses "Infinity Train" as an "aka". This also applies to Comic Book Resources, whereby it switches to "Mugen Train" after July 2020.  ComicBook.com is an unrelated website, and also uses "Mugen Train" for articles published post-July 2020.


 * Bit Me, Every Eye and Lega Nerd are not in English, and should be disregarded per WP:COMMONNAME, which explicitly states coverage in "independent, reliable English-language sources".


 * The Weekly Shonen Jump Twitter account describes itself as an unofficial account, and would not conform with WP:RS since it is user-generated content, and not a self-published source, and should be disregarded. Japan Forward refers to the film in the Japanese romaji ("Mugen Ressha"), and provides a literal translation throughout the article. Micky is inconclusive, using both "Mugen Train" and "Infinity Train". Asap Land is the only site that uses "Infinity Train" exclusively, however, the site also directly translates the song "Homura" by LiSA as "Fire", which is not used in any source as the official title, and as such, I am looking at this source with some skepticism. Alex Tenshi (talk&#124;contribs) 15:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per sources, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCFILMS. Almost all reliable sources refer to the film as Mugen Train. The film was never released as Infinity Train in the English-speaking countries per NCFILMS. It's not like it was released under different names in different countries so there should be no debate on this. It's the only name of the film in English-speaking countries and it shouldn't be modified to a mere unofficial translation. The page was also moved previously without a move request. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support move, for reasons given above. In addition, I'd prefer the title be shortened to something like Demon Slayer: Mugen Train. Two sub-titles doesn't look right. Maestro2016 (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been open for almost three weeks now. So what is the verdict here? Maestro2016 (talk) 05:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've sent in a request for closure at WP:ANRFC. Alex Tenshi (talk&#124;contribs) 03:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposal for the change in conversion of revenues into US$ for Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong by using weekly data
Except for South Korea where daily KOFIC data is availble, each gross revenue in US$ is calculated from the latest reported gross revenue by using currency exchange rate at a specific date. This may cause decrease in gross revenues bacause of exchange rate fluctuations.

On the other hand, weekly data are available for Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong (some weekly data are also available for Thailand or for Bangkok, but not constantly; Boxofficevietnam.com also previously provided daily data, which are not available now for Vietnam). So I tried to convert revenues into US$ by using weekly data for Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong as follows. By this change in conversion, +US$2.5M for Japan, but -US$0.5M for Taiwan, and -US$1,000 for Hong Kong, and the total gross revenue becomes US$398.1 M.

Please give your opinions on whether the following fix should be made or not. Orichalcum (talk) 16:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * By the way, I first tried to calculate by separating weekday and weekend data, but I find that the exchange rates are the same for the consecutive Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.Orichalcum (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The following tweet also gave nearly the same result.Orichalcum (talk) 16:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * https://twitter.com/meJat32/status/1361032212041273344

Orichalcum (talk) 16:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Orichalcum (talk) 16:06, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Orichalcum (talk) 08:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC) いちか かすが (talk) 17:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Basically its not a bad idea. I would recommended your data for Japan. Because Japanese yen sometime falls badly due to inflation. It is great innovation to keep the gross updated in a way such that reader find the article useful then outer e-magazine.

Ichika Kasuga 11:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)Ichika Kasuga 11:22, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Details of Revenues in local currencies and US$ for Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong

 * When the reported weekly revenue and the difference between total revenues are different, the latter is used as the weekly revenue to calculate the conversion into US$ here with the difference between them shown in parentheses (in some cases for Taiwan and Hong Kong).Orichalcum (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Let's begin the process.

Currently, due to in equal adjusted inflation between JPY and USD in daily exchange, the subsequent value of Japanese yen fall steeply making huge loss in article writing the box office of Japanese films. Regardlessly, there is a solution to this problem i.e switching to weekly exchange. In my opinion, I have no objection to this proposed plan. Anyone in doubt can fill their words in reply to their opposition. I would like to asked Orichalcum to intiate the plan and make this project a unique success. Ichika Kasuga 6:05 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Details of Revenues in local currencies for Australia and New Zealand
Below are the summaries of total gross revenues for Demon Slayer in Australia and New Zealand according to Numero ASAP reports and The Numbers. Probably the data from the Numbers are the revised ones, but some are apparently wrong. I am also planning to apply conversion method from local currencies to US$ for every Sunday by using data from The Numbers for Australia and New Zealand in future (indeed, New Zealand revenues in US$ till Mar 24 decreased from that till Mar 21 because of the change in currency rates), but just now it's confusing.

Orichalcum (talk) 10:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Worldwide Release Dates ( Proposed Section )
I have been thinking of adding the worldwide release table. いちか かすが (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Page Protection
Page needs protection from IP address user. They are frequently vandalizing the page according to their mind. In near future, the page would get corrupted, making it a complete mess. I would like to request you for your opinion in regard to page protection. Thanking you. Please reply as soon as possible. Ichika Kasuga 1:32 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The important point you want to write may be that the Demon slayer is still second in revenue counted in Japanese yen. I can judge the calculation made by The Numbers or MOJO, but I cannot judge the upper estimates made by CR, so I don't think what the IP users have done is vandalism. You can additionally mention the revenue in Japanese yen as follows.


 * On the other hand, the film is still second in worldwide worldwide box office revenue when counted in Japanese yen in comparison with that of Spirited Away (47,030,975,000 yen based on upper estimates). 

Orichalcum (talk) 14:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Please help me in this matter. This guy is not understanding the situation and is dependant on a out dated site.

Ichika Kasuga 2:40 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue here is that Crunchyroll's "upper estimates" is unsourced is not supported by any other source. Not Mantan Web, Oricon, or JNN. This article and Spirited Away's article, as they stand, list Spirited Away's box office number from "upper estimates" from one source, which conflicts with the other, more reliable sources. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 14:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The revenue of Spirited Away in US$ given in the ANN article is likely the same with that reported in The Numbers, whereas other figures concerning to Demon Slayer the Movie are apparently using the same source with this article. For the revenue of Demon Slayer in US$, forthcoming articles will probably use the sources in this article too, and just leave them.  On the other hand, the estimated revenue of Spirited Away in US$ given in The Numbers may be underestimated, and the author of the CR news may have calculated the upper estimates by adding several sources, but the method to calculate the revenue is not shown in the article. I agree that the revenue given in The Numbers (or ANN) is underestimated, but I also agree that the CR figures are not well sourced.  For the discussion on the details of revenues for Spirited Away, it is better to add information or currency conversions on box office revenues to its own article, but I think it is not here to discuss the actual revenue of Spirited Away both in US$ and JP yen.Orichalcum (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Currently I have a report from a editor regarding the genuine information of box office collection of Spirted Away from a reputed editor of Crunchyroll on every territory including its re-release collection.

Ichika Kasuga 2:56 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This is my proof for Spirited Away as per the link in twitter with precise detail in every territory. https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364227983301468161

Ichika Kasuga 2:58 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Check this out why he wrote upper estimates in his article. https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228294871195651

He also said that Box Office Mojo and Numbers has missed out many sources, including re-released data. Ichika Kasuga 3:00 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * In that case, you should prepare and add box office information to the Spirited Away page, then other people can judge figures.Orichalcum (talk) 15:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Can you please add it for me?, actually my girlfriend is coming home. I have invited her for dinner. So can you please updated it for me? in both the film articles site.

I need to make dinner.Ichika Kasuga 15:08 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do it by yourself. 4 and a half years ago, I myself tried to calculate revenues of Spirited Away to compare with that of Your name., but I found it hard because of lacking weekly revenues even for Japan (original in JPY).  The total revenue in Japan also suddenly jumped from 30.4 billion yen to 30.8 billion yen in September 2016 without explanations, then to 31.68 billion yen by re-release in 2020.Orichalcum (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Orichalcum (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will do it by myself. Sorry for disturbing you.Ichika Kasuga 15:45 Tuesday, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * According to this CR editor quoted from Twitter: "I've verified most of the numbers here myself through research, but some are just impossible to find without speaking the native language or being around at the time. Hence why I say "upper estimates" rather than confirmed numbers." Wikipedia should not be listing "upper estimates" that include unverified, unconfirmed numbers for the box office numbers of a film, when there are confirmed numbers.27.143.41.6 (talk) 15:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * So if there are no other objections, going to update this article and others with only verified, sourced box office data for Spirited Away. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Who asked you to edit? When a matter is discussion, if anyone tampted to edit he/she might be bloack within 24 hours. I advised you to revert your edit unless this discussion is closed.&#91;&#91;User:Ichika Kasuga&#124;Ichika Kasuga&#93;&#93; (talk) (talk)Ichika Kasuga — Preceding undated comment added 04:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As explained above, the $395.6 million figure for Spirited Away's box office total in Crunchyroll's article is what it calls "upper estimates." The CR editor acknowledged that this figure includes unsourced, unverified, and unconfirmed numbers.
 * https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228294871195651
 * 27.143.41.6 (talk) 04:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Spirited Away's Lifetime Box Office Collection
This is the lifetime box office collection as per the prominent editor of Crunchyroll, Daryl Hardling. This discussion is useless if the IP address doesn't revert its edits till the discussion is closed. The point to note here is that article has many sources from this editor supporting the edits. If any user edits before discussion is closed will be blocked. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 4:57 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * As explained above, the $395,580,000 figure for Spirited Away's box office total in Crunchyroll's articles is what it calls "upper estimates." The CR editor acknowledged that the spreadsheet above includes unsourced, unverified, and unconfirmed numbers.
 * https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228294871195651
 * 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * He said that it is difficult to know gross if you donot know native language.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:05 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The CR editor also said that the spreadsheet above includes unverified and unconfirmed numbers without sources. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * What is this see and answer me now https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228612849770503 Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:25 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is where the CR editor acknowledges, "Hence why I say 'upper estimates' rather than confirmed numbers." Wikipedia does not resolve incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you mad? Can't you see this

"Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data, and have trouble tracking international re-releases or films that fall of the "top 10" in the regions. US releases they're usually on point with though." Box office Mojo and The Number missed out many sources. You can see the example of Demon Slayer movie where correct gross hasn't been updated.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, Wikipedia does not deal with incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. Crunchyroll specifically describes its Spirited Away box office numbers as "upper estimates" and acknowledges that its figures includes unverified, unconfirmed numbers. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data", See this statement carefully, it says missing lots of data ,meaning not confirmed and unverified box office collection from this two sources.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:58 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, these two sources are missing data for various countries. However, that missing data does not justify adding unconfirmed and unverified data to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for unverifiable material. WP:WIAE 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Missing data meaning to say that gross is incomplete. If gross is incomplete then the film will loss position insignficantly. Making the film looks unsuccessful in box office you can see the gross of the film Demon Slayer Mugen Train, which hasn't updated with sources and is reliable to reader to know that the gross of the film has overtook 400 USD million but Box Office Mojo and The Number reporting 337 USD million, meaning to say that the film hasn't perform well in box office. So the reliable one is Crunchyroll. Thank you. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:18 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a complete repository of information, nor can it be or should be. WP:NOTEVERYTHING If verifiabe information is missing, we have to accept it.


 * By the way, The Numbers is not reporting 337 USD million, and Crunchyroll is not reporting 400 USD million. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, It has reported only $323 million. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kimetsu-no-Yaiba-Mugen-Ressha-Hen-(2020-Japan)#tab=summary Crunchyroll has updated it in twitter.

You can check it there directly. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The verifiable numbers are available for Demon Slayer, but the numbers for Spirited Away in the spreadsheet above are not verifiable. That's the issue here. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It is true that some of revenues are missing, but this can happen for all the other films (for example, revenues in Indonesia, Macao, Mongolia, or other pre-release revenues in several countries are not included in the total gross revenue of Demon Slayer). In case of the above Table concerning Spirited Away, "Rest of Europe", "Rest of Latin America", and "Rest of Asia" (US$ 8 million in total) provide no reliable verified information.  In addition, information on local currencies or the date of the conversions into US$ or JPY are not given in the Table. After such information is complete with reliable sources, I may agree to use the recalculated figures, but I rather prefer to use the figures presented by the Numbers or MOJO for Spirited Away just now. (By the way, I think the box office revenue of Spirited Away in Japan presented in the Numbers is rather overestimated by converting JPY 31.88 billion into US$ 304 million, ignoring the currency exchange rates during 2001-2002)Orichalcum (talk) 07:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Here whats Comicbook mention "Spirited Away is currently capped at nearly $396 million worldwide which is certainly impressive."Here is the link of this statement. Even if it has use the source of ANN. Currently, I have been trying to reach extact gross while studying I found that the gross of the film Spirited Away was $355 million then increased to $358 million and then increased to $383 million while Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train was about to overtook the film in term of worldwide box office collection by the mysterious site coming from no where i.e The Number as per the link says. I have some tweets with a Box Office Analyst which supports my statement of $396 million worldwide gross. You can see my tweets for your references. He has clearly explained your doubt regarding terms like "ROA", "ROE". However a point to note that domestic box office collection is not mentioned clearly in the site The Number. But what Box Office Mojo reports that the lifetime gross of Spirited Away is only $355 million. All together it was concluded that money exchange rate is different in various site which has lead to box office fluculations. So the summary is that there is no actual record on lifetime box office collection on the film. I have tried to contact the production studio regarding its gross. But there wasn't any response from there side. In the end we need to take estimates as per jatvision's tweet because this is not a Hollywood movie nor produced by Disney. Further, today he felt offended regarding his personal research. But he says "if you want to know numbers personally, you know it now. simple." Another important is that Spirited Away grossed 30.8B in Japan in 2002 which was $253M back then, while today it will be $300M. So, chart is quite disturbing. Further the box office Analyst also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors." Also the studio itself hasn't officially announced its lifetime gross for Spirited Away. As far what concerned the most is the system of exchange of currency. Sadly, the distributor also has no obligation to report any box office numbers. Conclusion: Till the system of exchange is know the gross will be limited by $395.6 million. If within the next seven days the data is not confirmed, then we will switch back to the data of Box Office Mojo. Thanking you for your patiences. He also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors. All the tweets are available. You can see them for your references. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 11:56 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Is it fair to say we have consensus on these points?
 * 1) The spreadsheet above, as is, does not meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability or sourcing for Spirited Away's box office numbers.
 * 2) For now, Wikipedia should use the figures from The Numbers or Box Office Mojo for Spirited Away's box office.
 * 27.143.41.6 (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

If there is objection, I would asked the administerator to revert all the edits of the IP address regarding the worldwide box office collection of Spirited Away in its entire lifetime run. Support for my statement are as follows Ichika Kasuga (talk) 12:34 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)                         Crunchyroll article stating its final gross to $395.6 million.
 * 2)                         Comicbook article stating its final gross to around $396 million.
 * 3)                         Box Office Analyst's tweet.
 * 4)                         Statistics of a Spreadsheet docs.
 * 5)                         Stats that prove that the out-dated site basically the Numbers and Prominent site namely the Box Office Mojo as wrong.
 * 6)                         Problem of money exchange.

Article protected
Due to rampant edit warring, the article is now protected so that only users with extended-confirmed status can edit it. Once consensus is reached, use the edit extended-protected template to make an edit request. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2021
In the first sentence of the "Box office" section's "International" sub-section, please change:

US$395.58 million (47,030,975,000 yen) based on upper estimates.

to

US$383,397,782. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 00:40, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Extended-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —  TG HL ↗  (talk) 18:24, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed New Section for Controversies and Review
Hi Alex, It's me, a good friend of yours. I don't know if you considered me or not. Without wasting your time, I want talk about the controversies of the film Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train like the low pay of the voice actors and even the loyalites not paid to its creator. I would like to add a section for this as per MOS and further make a section for reviews regarding the reviews of the film from the director of Your Name and Spirted Away i.e. Makoto Shinkai and Hayao Miyazaki. Please share a comment regarding this two proposed section as soon as possible. Thank you. Have a nice day. いちか かすが (talk) 08:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You say you want to talk about this, but you do not include any sources backing up anything you have said. Therefore I can't assess anything in regards to what you want added since everything that is to be added must be backed up by reliable sources. Regardless, any further discussion should be made at the article's talk page at Talk:Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train and not on my talk page here. Clearly this should've been asked there since this is not about me - it's about the article itself. Alex Tenshi (talk&#124;contribs) 10:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my dear friend, I forget to add the source to you talk page. Here the source for low pay. I will get the reference for the reviews later on. First, let two of us talk about the controversies section. Please share a comment regarding the controversies section as soon as possible. Thank you. Have a nice day. いちか かすが (talk) 13:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here are the sources of Makato Shinkai reviews about the anime film.     いちか かすが (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here are the sources of Hayao Miyazaki reviews about the anime film.  Please response as soon as possible. いちか かすが (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I am shifting our conversation on the talk page of the film. I didn't read your reply well. So, I am sorry. But, I want remarked from you. Because, you have good experience regarding articles. So, I asked you. いちか かすが (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * First of all, I am the same person with User:Aurichalcum (the account I made for en.wikipedia.org more than ten years ago, for editting wikipedia articles in different languages with the same account was not possible at that time). In my opinion, Miyazaki's response should not be included in this article, because his answers were apparently unofficial.  I also think Shinkai's response on his twitter account rather should not be included in this article, because there is little touch on the content of this film. I feel that their reactions are maliciously cited on Web sites.   Orichalcum (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Orichalcum (talk) 15:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What are your views regarding the low pay of voice casts and no loyalites paid to creator. I do guess that the reviews of the directors aren't necessary. But their films has great cultural impact in the country and has also not to forget to mention that their films were dethroned from top position. So, their response or feeling of frustation should be added to the article. If you have appropriate sources regarding this two topic, then please add. Because the article is missing two sections i.e. the controversies and critics response or the reviews of film from the directors of two great anime film who once ruled the global box office collections, as every film has. Please response as soon as possible. Thank you. Have a nice day. いちか かすが (talk) 07:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "low pay" problems always exist in Japan not limitied in this film, so I think it's not here to mention about them, but rather better to make a new article for them. For the attitudes or criticism on this film, writing award history or reffering famous sites such as Rotten Tomatoes is enough.Orichalcum (talk) 16:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I have talked with some editor but they doesn't seem to bother much, making discussion confusing. Here what one of them said :-

"Hi, Can you please share a comment in the talk page of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train regarding the proposed new sections in the article. Your comment is necessary for the success of the discussion. いちか かすが (talk) 13:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, if you think you're ready go ahead and make a draft! Just make sure you've read the appropriate guidelines first. Thanks, Skingo12 (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Have a wonderful day. いちか かすが (talk) 13:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)" Most of them think that there is no issue regarding. What you think I will go for it ? いちか かすが (talk) 16:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

：：：：I am not so interested in criticism on films, so I can't say that I agree with you for your attempt on new edits. What I can say is that both of you and I are not native speakers of English, and it's better to let them checked by other editors, when you make the new section.Orichalcum (talk) 16:36, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You are right. Thank for your response. いちか かすが (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Response from Makoto Shinkai and Hayao Miyazaki
This section reads very informal.★Trekker (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed sections for theatrical benefits and promotion drive
Ever since the film was release many theatrical benefits were offered to theatregoer. But in the page hardly two of them were mentioned. Therefore I proposed a new sub-heading 2 under sub-heading "Japan" to put all the benefits of the film. Again, promotion drives like the Aashi train should be include as per my point of view. Also, I would to add a controversy section regarding the R-rating by film certificate of USA. Further, I would like to know your opinion regarding this. Thanking you for a better day tomorrow. Please as soon as possible. いちか かすが (talk) 17:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2021
The box office gross is off. It was dropped down to under $420 million even though it now over $430 million. That would make it the 2nd highest grossing movie of 2020, 5th highest traditionally animated film, 28th highest R-rated film, and 13th highest non-English film Source: https://twitter.com/ichika_kasuga/status/1381576489364156422 (tweet source used premium data sources) LetsmaybeLP92 (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Tweets are not usable as reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:53, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: If the tweet is from the source (IE self-published) its alright under certain conditions per WP:TWEET. Though this tweet is not a self-published source (in fact it's from a Wikipedia editor) so its not reliable. Link20XX (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Should Haruo Sotozaki have a wiki page?
He's the film's director, and it makes sense to give him a wiki entry.


 * They have an article in Japanese. If you want, you could create a draft and translate the article. Link20XX (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

The box office section
The box office section needs a major rewrite. First off, it is extremely long. Look at the Good articles Avatar (2009 film) and Avengers: Endgame, which are even more notable for their box office performances than this is. Those articles have way shorter box office sections, and it is completely unreasonable for this article to have one that's this long. If it were nominated for good article status, I expect that this is one of the first things that would need to be fixed (something similar happened to Black Panther (film)). Secondly, the writing quality is really low. It is very poorly organized, the grammar is bad, the tone is unencyclopaedic, there is a dearth of paragraph breaks, and so on. The relevant information is obscured by all these problems. TompaDompa (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I attempted to resolve these problems earlier, but I was reverted by and  and asked to discuss it on the talk page, which is why I added this section to the talk page. Since their reversions however, the IP has been blocked for making WP:Legal threats and the logged-in user has been WP:CheckUser blocked where one of the issues was WP:Undisclosed paid editing. I think it's fair to say that they may not have been acting entirely in good faith with Wikipedia's best interests in mind, so I'm reinstating my changes for now. TompaDompa (talk) 10:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Although I also felt that the box office details for each country are becoming too excessive, I do not agree to delete two tables for worldwide and Japanese box office performance, because MOJO or The Numbers lacks data for Taiwan (3rd most earned) and Thailand, and the box office performance in Japan is the historical one.Orichalcum (talk) 15:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We are perfectly capable of writing the grosses for select markets in prose, as is already done for e.g. the US and Canada. The worldwide table takes up a lot of visual space to convey very little information. TompaDompa (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For the total box office gross in the US and Canada, both MOJO and The Numbers are not doing their jobs, where several weekday counts are not properly added for the DS. Anyway, visual spaces can be diminished by using "mw-collapsed".Orichalcum (talk) 15:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Collapsibility doesn't work on mobile devices, which is how a significant proportion of readers access Wikipedia. And we don't need the table to provide the figures regardless of what source we're using. I agree with ' removal of the tables. TompaDompa (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

As a mobile user, I also support the removal of the tables, but I'm used to getting the short end of the stick when it comes to features and accessibility anyways so you can just do whatever. Link20XX (talk) 23:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC) It is just too big and overly-detailed for the article. If readers want a day-by-day and country-by-country breakdown they can go to Box Office Mojo or The Numbers. I get certain users (mostly IPs) want to hype the film up, but this isn’t the place for that. It’s a visual headache, and this is coming from a box office nut. TropicAces (talk) 01:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)tropicAces

Strong Oppose: Discussion seem to hijack and none of the editors represent Japan except one Go ahead and westernized more articles. After all, English editors who doesn't understand why people cannot visit Box Office Mojo and The Numbers because many gross are missing and already mentioned by. These is not a conduct or threat to any editors but Japanese and Chinese articles should be managed only by editors who belong to that region. Further, whenever, any editors approach either of TompaDompa and Tropicaces end up with a block. Further, I believe that the International section needs condensation but not the section of Japan. In Actual, the article looks like Anti-Japanese. Best Example: Some of editors placed banner that the article contains promotion. But, if any of editors goes through the contents, he/she might notice that there is no promotion content. I also directly oppose the removal of Response of Shinkai and Miyazaki where, placed an unpleasant edits summary to state that these are useless articles of rivalry written by trash magazine. But, if any of the Comic Book, CBR, and Japan Times writer somehow know his identity, he might faced legal prosecution in the respective countries. Further, Wikipedia should not allowed editors to say that these magazine are trash. For Success Behind Global Pandemic, I would like say that this section needs improvement rather than removal. I hope that you get it now. 223.238.110.216 (talk)
 * The article was much better when Exucheva, Alex and Xeress were actively managing the page. Since, the film is a historical event for the entire Japanese society, therefore article should be improved rather than removing. Reference often get lost when removed. This page was far better when TompaDompa and Tropicaces didn't touched. I hope that the mentioned editors return back to save the article from getting worse and influence by Western form. Some awards and nominations are also missing. Blocked editors like Ichika Kasuga are also necessary. However, I went through the history of TompaDompa where some editors was harassed and taken as jokes by him/her. The most controversy fact is that every editors gets block if they place argument against him. One of the best example, is on the talk page of List of Highest Grossing R-rated Films where administrator didn't notice harass statement made by TompaDompa and blocked one of the editors indefinitely who told him "insane". Maximum administrator are in favour of TompaDompa. Even, within the administrator, there is no cooperation. One example is on User talk page of Ichika Kasuga where an administrator Anchrachist asked Ninjarobot and General Notability that the block period is too high for a such a small "slang" word. But, none of the administrator response. Hence, any one will come to conclusion that administrator are in favour of TompaDompa. I would love to see how Wikipedia will react if that a depression person commit suicide to prove his innocence.223.238.104.96 (talk)


 * Article needs improvement rather than removing section. Since April 2021, instead of improvements, many section are removed unnecessary. Wikipedia adminstrator place protection only went the works of their subordinate are removed. I believe that the article would be much better if handled only by the Japanese editors. If you think that I am wrong then take example from Japanese and Chinese version of this article where instead of removal, many user place their edits with sources which are later improve by an experienced editor. This is the best example of cooperation between editors.223.238.104.96 (talk)


 * Wait royalties was also a issue/controversy why was it because of its heading as "Royalties". Wow, what a surprising that didn't read before removing. STOP ASIAN AND PACIFIC HATES. Now, enough. restore the article back. Only condense the international section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.238.107.236 (talk) 08:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You seem to have misunderstood me. Interviewing industry professionals to enquire about their opinions is of course a perfectly reasonable thing for the media to do, but the "Response from Shinkai and Miyazaki" section as it existed served to craft a narrative of the different directors being adversaries in a way that is wholly inappropriate for an encyclopaedic article. With regards to WP:PROMO, the worst parts have been removed already, but some things are still inappropriate in tone. TompaDompa (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * First of all, response of directors are necessary. Only two director response are added not a list of 20-30 directors are asked to add. I agree with you that article needs improvement but removing content is not a solution. The agreeable point that support inappropriate tone is International section. Not the whole article need to be condense. There is no policy that says that there should be page character limit. Further, removing content is not a solution. Although, I want to say that all the advertisement content are removed and the banner should also be remove in this case. Budget was also provided by cine-director.net but I don't understand that why you are concluding that the USD is a original research. Please open your eyes and click on the € Currency button on the upper right side of the page to get the budget in USD. Without any observations, don't make agreements with out checking the page well. Again, you removed tables without understanding the situation. For the total box office gross in the US and Canada, both MOJO and The Numbers are not doing their jobs, where several weekday. a important point that you have neglected. In the box office section, summary for Japan is too short and a lot of information has been deleted like it's economic impact on Japan. Please don't destroy the article by placing your own preferable edits. This is a Historical achievement for Japan. First, take care of what you edits and your edits should not humiliate and hurt the sentiments of Japan.223.238.105.89 (talk)
 * It’s clear based on these comments (claiming the trimming of the article is to “humiliate and hurt Japan” or that fans of the film will commit suicide if we do so) that the IPs advocating for the removal/streamlining of the box office tables and other sections are just fanboys of the film and/or Japanese advocates, and are too close to the subject to be objective. TropicAces (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)tropicAces
 * All of the IP addresses in this thread geolocate to the same place so it's probably the same person. Link20XX (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Issues: Author's profits
Should this section exist ? I mean the way i see it this is not really a problem and is something that apply to most manga authors as explained by Gintama's author here(https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime-news/2016/11/26-1/gintama-creator-comments-on-how-much-manga-authors-make-from-anime-adaptations) furthermore, Kimetsu author haven't made any known complaint about this so this feel like manufactured issue Adab1za (talk) 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I also don't feel like it is worth mentioning. This is how anime movies have been done for years now. I would also say the "Issues" section should be removed entirely and the information on the accidental release moved to the release section. Link20XX (talk) 22:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah thinking about it the whole section should be gone, i removed Author's profits part but not sure how to edit the accidental release for nowAdab1za (talk) 01:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

TompaDompa Edits Confliciting with others
'' Note: The first two comments—by at 11:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC) and  at 12:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC), respectively—were originally posted at User talk:TompaDompa/Archive 2 and later moved here. ''

First of based on your talk page's history, you doesn't response to enquires of no. of IP Users and Wikipedia User which agrue with your edits in Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train. Either you wait for Adminstrator to block or let your Wikipedia Toolkit ClueBot III to archived the thread. Proof of your zero response. Once the users are blocked you placed a edit summary meaning to say you cannot response to the user which are blocked.

Now I am summarising all the problem of your edits in the mentioned page.


 * Your removal of awards were controversy: You removed the complete award of Lisa whose song Homura is the theme song of the film. Further, you removed Yahoo Search of the Year Award from the section of Accolades.
 * Your condensation of International Section was not at all good. You removed the no. of cinemas and screen hall available due to COVID-19 pandemic. Further, I don't like the statement you say ' on Talk:Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train.
 * Further, you removed the tables of Japan and Worldwide Box Office without listening to the important point placed by Orichalcum :
 * Again you didn't listen to another important point stated by the Japanese User :
 * Release Section was heavily condense with only two international release dates and one important release information to China. Based on your edits, the other release dates were not important at all ( your mindset)
 * Reputed Sources: Where does this word arrived in Wikipedia? Both JP's Box-Office and Salty Popcorn The Movie Database are reliable sources. Don't simply reverts those edits. We all just need to prove our edits with sources.
 * You heavily condensed Home Media Section where you wrote : . None of the user added statement like :   or   (example)
 * The entire Issue section was removed without proper evalutions. None of them were wrong and proper sources are added to confirm the edits.
 * You removed the English Voice Cast unnessarily. Since, this is a English Wikipedia, English Voice cast are added along the Original voice cast.
 * You removed the detailed IMAX collections entirely. (mainly Japan, which should not have to be removed)
 * Important privilege for 4DX and MX4D were removed unnessarily.
 * Most Importantly you removed the economical impact of the film :
 * Unnessacary removal of various records in many international territories without prior discussion. The edits were highly disturbing for Japanese readers.
 * Response from Shinkai and Miyazaki were simply removed without proper agruement. The response were genuine since the sources are originally taken from Japanese News Magazine and the twitter handle of directors. No need to remove this section.
 * Finally, do not placed summary like this  You didn't value other experience user edits like Orichalcum and User:Maestro2016, the entire contribution of User:Ichika Kasuga was removed.  Before placing this summary atleast think how much you have depressed these users.

Agree:


 * International Section need to be condensed ( mainly parts of central America, Latin America and Africa)
 * Release dates of various countries should be reorganised with proper source. (if possible: original language source)
 * Home Media sales need to added.

Phano Mie (talk) 11:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Really, you should post your concerns about the content of the article to the article's talk page (Talk:Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train)—where other editors can add their input—rather than to my user talk page. If you take a look there, you'll see that the "Issues" section was discussed there (Talk:Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train) with and  concluding that it ought to be removed altogether. You'll also see that I wrote We are perfectly capable of writing the grosses for select markets in prose, as is already done for e.g. the US and Canada. in response to the point about Box Office Mojo and The Numbers not having figures for Taiwan and Thailand—and indeed the version of the article prior to your indiscriminate reversion  said It became the highest-grossing animated film of all time in Taiwan by grossing 360 million TWD (US$12.6 million) in 17 days after its release and went on to gross 634 million TWD in total. It also became the highest-grossing anime film in several markets, including [...] Thailand where it surpassed the previous record held by Your Name during the first weekend and went on to gross 124 million THB, and you'll see  and  agreeing with me that the tables you re-added are detrimental to the article's overall quality. It's not just me taking issue with these things (though I am the main one to perform the edits), is what I'm getting at.Your concerns ring a bit hollow to me considering you indiscriminately undid 274 edits by over a dozen different editors, rather than selectively re-adding that which you think ought not to have been removed. They also ring a bit hollow to me since you completely ignored the existing talk page discussion and reinstated your changes after being reverted and asked to take it to the talk page. Lastly, they ring hollow to me because you re-added a lot of content by blocked users, including  who was WP:CheckUser blocked for (among other things) WP:Undisclosed paid editing. Do you appreciate the significance of a major contributor to this article having engaged in undisclosed paid editing? Do you understand that by reinstating those edits, you take complete responsibility for them per WP:PROXYING?All in all, reverting to this WP:PLAGIARISM-ridden, WP:UPE-laden, terribly poorly written version of the article was extremely disruptive of you, to an extent I don't think you fully appreciate. I am going to revert to the shorter version without these massive issues, and I implore you to discuss it on the article's talk page instead of WP:Edit warring. TompaDompa (talk) 12:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not discrimating your edits but the way you have condense make Japanese readers uncomfortable. Further, quality of the article cannot be determined by three user (mainly those who are not the citizens of Japan) This is a Japanese Film which has reached new heights in Worldwide Box Office. Tables should not be removed when one of the user (Japanese Citizen) has placed a concern. And further if table is a problem for mobile user, better write the entire grosses recorded in table as prose, instead of  Phano Mie (talk) 13:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "  Understanding some important points state by you, I will be removing some contents based on your observations. Phano Mie (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The gross of Thailand is 126 million bahts. The reference got lost due to your removal. Further, I am sorry that I didn't noticed that and  removed issues sections. This article is a historical one. Japan Weekend gross should not be removed at any cost because it has reached new height in the history of Cinema of Japan Phano Mie (talk)


 * The current article is terribly written and what did was just improve it, Tables need to be removed, boxoffice should be shortened, issue section should be goneAdab1za (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Issues sections are already backed by sources cited in the article. Worldwide Box Office' Table should be removed only if every territory grosses (states on the table) is added. Further, there is already an agreement regarding Worldwide Box Office Table on No original research/Noticeboard. Further, I do not see any necessary conditions to remove Box Office Performance In Japan Table and it should be maintained still the film is a historical record and feelings of proud for every Japanese Citizen. Phano Mie (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the international section should be condensed with proper sourcing. But not to used the term "selected markets" meaning to say every territories gross should be covered where the film acheived new records. Phano Mie (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Issue section problem isn't the sources but the content, lets see, the first issue Royalties is a voice actor talking about how payment are generally done in the industry and not specifically about Mugen train as he himself hasn't participated in the movie as Urodaki character doesn't appear, the second issue Author's profits, as explained in the talk page here this is again a very normal thing in the industry and if this added here then might as well add this section to every japanese movie, the third issue can be written somewhere else and the tables clutter the page unnecessary, they aren't needed and the movie performance and record are expressed in prose. Adab1za (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is not an Issue but Controversies Since the film reaches in new height, it is obvious that people will find controversy if the Author is paid 2 million yen and royalties were not paid to voice actors Phano Mie (talk) 13:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * No it isn't, This is manufactured controversies, If the author comes and complain sure but sofar we don't have anyone who acutally worked on the movie saying anything about their pay. Adab1za (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This cannot be manufactured controversies since the mentioned person is a Japanese film insider and writer Hotaka Sugimoto. Further, author is very shy person, who didn't even revealed her gender until a worker at Shueisha leaked her gender. It's therefore unusual for Author to complained about her profit. Phano Mie (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hotaka Sugimoto didn't mention in as controversy but stated as a normal thing that happen in the industry and we aren't in position to deduce the author feeling Adab1za (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The content are already removed and there was already a discussion earlier regarding this in Proposed New Section for Controversies and Review.  I agree with you. Phano Mie (talk) 00:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am going to respond to my pings above and give my thoughts. For one, is incredibly false. WikiProject Anime and manga has a ton of good article-quality articles that I am willing to bet have never been edited by someone from Japan. What makes an article good is done by certain criteria that apply to anyting and everyone equally. Second, I strongly doubt most Japanese people care what we put on the English Wikipedia. This is just an article on Wikipedia, and nothing more, its not like their country is at stake if we edit it. I have no issues with the way others are acting. Your actions are being disruptive nearly to the point I can no longer WP:AGF.Link20XX (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I refrain from making changes in the article. I have added all the points that were not necessary to remove.  the user personal information doesn't appear unless they themselves let the information out like: Identity of @Ichika Kasuga  @Orichalcum wasn't revealed until a comment on the discussion Proposed New Section for Controversies and Review  Orichalcum
 * No, it matters alot. I am placing an example to your statement through a link. Phano Mie (talk) 00:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Without wanting to get involved in this drama, I would just like to point out the suspicious timing of how this new user, Phano Mie, comes to Wikipedia, undoes every single one of 's edits, which have only improved this article from the horrendous state it was in, praises User:Ichika Kasuga, using more or less exactly the same speech patterns and arguments of the latter user in his sockpuppets, shortly after rightly pointed out the latter's downright plagiarism in his talk page. I wonder where Phano Mie's IP would geolocate to. Food for thought.  SomeoneElseMightGetItWrong (talk) 21:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Placing a statement without going through page statistics will be ridiculous where the top three contributors are already added. Phano Mie (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know of his contributions. Doesn't change the fact that he left the article in a, as already correctly stated, WP:PLAGIARISM-ridden, WP:UPE-laden, terribly poorly written state. You failed to address how suspicious it is that users with exactly the same (poor) speech patterns and arguments keep trying to undo 's great edits. The way things are going, I would advocate a CheckUser on this one as well. Probably just another sock puppet. The page will actually warrant protection at this rate. SomeoneElseMightGetItWrong (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Expiration Date?
How long will it expire that protection first? Fortunewriter (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The extended confirmed protection lasts until September 24 at 03:19 UTC. If you want to suggest a change, you can do so using an WP:EDITREQ. Link20XX (talk) 15:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, mate! Fortunewriter (talk) 18:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)