Talk:Denuvo/Archive 1

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this article is nearly verbatim from the landing page of the company istelf. i am not intimately aware of ettiquette or procedures, but there should be some balance to the information with regards to independent sources providing additional feedback. i understand that the "controversy" has been debunked. still, is this supposed to be an advertisement for the software, or an informational article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.22.90.38 (talk) 17:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Not a digital rights management
"It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented." http://www.denuvo.com/ --87.173.78.72 (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

It actually is DRM, just because they say it isn't doesn't make it true and is just propaganda spouted by the company to make it more accepted by the masses who view DRM as evil. DRM is a term used for technology whose purpose is to control a person's ability to use the content/device in various ways, this use isn't just limited to the copying of it (which it doesn't have to do) but includes things such as the execution, printing, viewing or modification of it. In the case of Denuvo it's purpose is to restrict (ie: control) the user's ability to modify the content, specifically that of the executable code, and thus this makes it a DRM solution whose intention is to function alongside and protect other DRM solutions used by the content for other purposes (eg: copy and execution protection). Auscent (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Whether they accept the DRM label is irrelevant.  Denuvo qualifies as DRM. Ipuvaepe (talk) 19:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Furthermore, in the lead of the article, the use of Denuvo's website as a primary source is wrong. Secondary sources need to be used instead. -  Uncle Alf (talk) 15:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's an obvious marketing strategy to avoid labeling it as DRM and avoid the negative connotations that entails. Denuvo itself (not any underlying DRM scheme being protected) requires an online connection to a license server to activate, that alone defines it as DRM in my eyes. Omcnoe (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2014
Denuvo Anti-temper has been cracked by a team of chinese hackers (3DM). They claim to have cracked the code of the anti-temper program (which was meant to protect the DRM that was protecting the games that used it) in 15 days, but that some work still needs to be done before a working crack can be released to the public. http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/12/02/denuvo-the-uncrackable-drm-on-dragon-age-inquisition-has-been-cracked/

Arkhana (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  20:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No files or specifications have been released and no games have been successfully cracked. At this stage it's still just an unsubstantiated claim. Pongley (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2014

 * Grand Theft Auto V

Kevinj93 (talk) 01:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done The article already says "The PC edition of Grand Theft Auto V was rumored..." Stickee (talk) 03:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Why do you keep removing my edit?
Denuvo was indeed cracked by 3DM on 14,12,14.

Its quite easy to confirm this with a simple google search. https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=dragon+age+origins+3dm

All articles in Wikipedia should be impartial in tone and content. Please explain your reasons for your continued removal of my edits before i have a chat with jimmy.


 * Why have your edits been consistently reverted? A few reasons:
 * Sources must be cited.
 * A "simple Google search" is called original research. Original research is prohibited.
 * Contributions are also expected to, at a minimum, accord with the Manual of Style.
 * If you make an effort to improve the quality of your contributions, your edits will stick.
 * Adraeus (talk) 13:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto 4
Please stop removing Grand Theft Auto 4 from the list of protected games. The article plainly states that Denuvo worked with Rockstar on Grand Theft Auto 4.


 * After publication, a representative from Denuvo reached out to The Escapist, saying that Denuvo will not be used in Grand Theft Auto V. "Denuvo is not in any way involved with any version of GTAV," said the spokesperson. Denuvo did work with Rockstar on GTA IV, however.

This source is reputable and cited. If you believe that Grand Theft Auto 4 does not use Denuvo, please find a source that says so and add that source to the article. Removing cited content from articles because of original research is not how Wikipedia works.

Furthermore, the source cited is used elsewhere in the article, so when you remove that source, you break the links to that source.

Adraeus (talk) 13:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Denuvo didn't exist in 2008. The people behind the company - when it was still DADC Digitalworks, they were bought out in 2013 and renamed themselves Denuvo - may have helped Rockstar develop their own DRM but that isn't relevant to this entry. Pongley (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Denuvo did not exist at all back in 2008
No more proof needed than that. Denuvo was first released for any game ever in 2014, it's a huge margin of time there. 88.6.155.202 (talk) 09:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sony DADC & SecuROM
Should it be noted that Denuvo's predecessor, DADC, was the creators of the VERY controversial SecuROM, one of the most problematic DRMs out there?85.229.59.77 (talk) 11:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced additions
There is no source provided that Arkham is protected by Denuvo; even if "cracked" it is not apparent that it is this company's product. Foreign hacker sites and Reddit would not constitute reliable sources to justify such a claim - Assuming such a thing were encyclopedically notable, which they are not.  Scr ★ pIron IV 13:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * For this reason I have removed Phantom Pain from this list (which was added earlier today). The only sources I could find were confused reddit and 4chan threads, and a single sentence on a warez site. I believe we should wait for reliable sources to show up before adding the game to the list. - Uncle Alf (talk) 11:01, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * More edits by other editors have been made since my last comment, again adding Phantom Pain to the list and also adding more information about the game at the end of the Technology section. For now, I have simply added "citation needed" to these edits because I have no desire to start an edit war. IMO, though, these additions should be removed within too long if they are not backed up with reliable sources. Input would be appreciated. Thanks! - Uncle Alf (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the nature of the product and the completely unfounded rumour that Denuvo taxes the system's performance, nobody acknowledges it use besides EA in the beginning of the year. Unfortunately, in this case, the most reliable source regarding a game's usage of Denuvo or not indeed comes from the pirate groups and the news outlets that report on them. I think we should let those games that are reported by pirates as using Denuvo (and which subsequently take weeks to break, as opposed to standard DRM which takes minutes or hours) listed on the page -- even if we can't get an explicit acknowledgement from the game companies -- and only remove them if the clearly say they have not used it. It's not like people are going around making up games protected by Denuvo. -- 177.102.84.101 (talk) 01:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That is the opposite of what an encyclopedia does. If the most reliable source is not a reliable source per WP:RS then it must be omitted by policy.   Scr ★ pIron IV 12:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. Unfortunately, several (anonymous) editors keep adding Phantom Pain and Mad Max to the list of protected games. The fact is that these games are only rumored to use Denuvo. No sources are provided for these edits. As far as I can tell these edits are all being made in good faith. I'm not quite sure where to go from here (other than start an edit war, which is not a solution, obviously) because the edits don't seem to be made by a single user.
 * Well, we have invited to discuss, and held some discussion. The trouble is that, even if a local consensus formed to include these (which it hasn't), such a local consensus cannot trump Wikipedia community standards. The standards are clear. I hate to bug admins for this sort of thing, and I wouldn't take it to AIV because I don't think it's vandalism.  I am also at a loss.  Scr ★ pIron IV 17:57, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand. Thanks for keeping an eye on the article. I will also keep it on my watchlist. - Uncle Alf (talk) 20:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone here could contact Denuvo and politely ask for a confirmation of the games they've worked on. Unless they signed NDA with all the companies they provide services to, they may answer it. http://www.denuvo.com/#page-6 -- 177.102.84.101 (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not how this works. That would constitute WP:OR and also be a WP:PRIMARY source. The first is a violation of Wikipedia policy, and the second is not a preferred source. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a hacker review site. There are plenty of blogs and forums where you can post this sort of information without pesky rules and standards.  Scr ★ pIron IV 20:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Then you might consider contacting the admins or voting about locking this page to unregistered users, however that process works. I don't see the rumoured additions stopping anytime soon -- everytime someone googles Denuvo and finds this page lacks Arkham Knight, Mad Max and MGSV, they'll keep adding it ad aeternum based on rumours. -- 177.94.57.121 (talk) 01:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've made a request for protection. - Uncle Alf (talk) 10:35, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20936-pirater-kringgar-kopieringsskyddet-denuvo this is a source for lord fallen, battlefield hardline and batman arkham knight, and it's already in the list of references

List of protected games
The only game officially acknowledged to use Denuvo Anti-Tamper is Battlefield Hardline.

Other games that reportedly use Denuvo Anti-Tamper include:


 * Lords of the Fallen
 * Dragon Age: Inquisition
 * FIFA 15
 * Mad Max (2015 video game)

Wingywolf (talk) 17:10, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. Not in sources given. Inomyabcs (talk) 13:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2015
41.224.76.132 (talk) 07:47, 9 September 2015 (UTC) There are many new updates for this page : New games use Denuvo : Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain,Mad Max... 3DM cracked again Denuvo in the game Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain on 08/09/2015 So,please let me edit it

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 08:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ This is not the right page to request additional user rights.

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2015
Other games that reportedly use Denuvo Anti-Tamper include: Just Cause 3

References

Matthew Jason Smith (talk) 05:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Could you please clarify your source? Uncle Alf (talk) 16:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Source is the EULA. This has been added.  --Jules (Mrjulesd) 21:05, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Matthew Jason Smith (talk) 23:17, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

DENUVO = VMProtect
Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bot5151 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

FIFA 16
OK now FIFA 16 has been added. Unfortunately the source is a pretty poor one, an opinion on a reddit forum. Now I'd say that FIFA 16 is almost certainly denuvo protected, being that FIFA 15 has this protection. But the source is poor. And views on what should be done?  --Jules (Mrjulesd) 04:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

fifa 16 has been cracked a few months ago. they used the demo version to get around it. > RSoldat, 14.10.16.

Update: There is also this link saying that it was cracked https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/4gfcir/fifa_16_cracked_by_turk_dm/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by No alone (talk • contribs) 23:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Use of sources for games
I think it's safe to say that games published by Square Enix and EA (and maybe WB) will have Denuvo in the future, so sources for these, in my opinion, shouldn't be necessary unless proven wrong. I'm pointing this out as my previous edit which included Star Wars Battlefront (a game which has yet to be cracked and uploaded to illegal torrent websites for this exact reason), Rise of the Tomb Raider and Hitman (based on images found on the server for the Denuvo support website by Reddit users) got reverted
 * Wikipedia sources need to be reliable. See Identifying reliable sources. It's a site wide policy. Unfortunately sources on forums aren't seen as reliable sources, so they were removed. And that subreddit wasn't a support website, it was https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/. Wikipedia policy is based on WP:Verifiability rather than what might or might not be true, in other words could someone theoretically check that any facts came from a reliable source.  --Jules (Mrjulesd) 04:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted, and found a valid source for Battlefront - ShadowStealer7 (talk) 07:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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Requested semi-protection
Requested semi-protection as much vandalism occurring from numerous IP/new editors.  --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2016
Rise Of The Tomb Raider, another Denuvo game, is also believed to be cracked at this time.

110.20.16.122 (talk) 07:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 15:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016
Add a column in the table with heading "Cracked" and mark the games with X and a tick. Update info- Rise of the Tomb Raider and Doom were cracked in august 2016 by bulgarian hacker Voksi.

95.42.55.69 (talk) 10:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC) Moreover, I think such a change as adding a column, would need consensus. - Arjayay (talk) 10:54, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.


 * Can't you use google?
 * https://www.kaldata.com/%D0%98%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B8/%D0%91%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0-DRM-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-Denuvo-%D0%B2-%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80-112362.html
 * http://www.dsogaming.com/news/denuvo-has-been-defeated-first-doom-crack-is-now-available/
 * https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-properly-cracked-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-first-victim-160809/
 * http://www.dsogaming.com/news/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-first-real-crack-is-now-available/
 * http://www.pcgamesn.com/doom/denuvo-drm-bypass-voksi
 * Do you also need someone else's consensus to go to the bathroom? Either do it or do not do it- just says Yes or No- don't give me this "democracy" crap.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.42.55.69 (talk) 13:00, 9 August 2016‎ (UTC)
 * This "democracy crap" is what keeps Wikipedia from turning into a circus. --MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 08:21, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Potential POV issue?
In the Denuvo section, it lists whether or not each game has been cracked. But "Yes" is colored green and "No" is colored red, which has the connotation that it's better if a game is cracked. While I personally do believe that's better, it seems like it could be a POV issue, considering many disagree as to whether or not it's better for a game to be cracked.

I've actually noticed this before with other things, how it could be a POV issue, but in those cases it's always one option that's obviously preferable (like in lists of software, preferring having a feature over not having it, or preferring free over proprietary). This isn't the case here, however.

After I found this article through Reddit and immediately noticed this issue myself, I went back to the comments and the top comment mentions it. So there's more discussion over there.

 flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 00:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Someone removed the "cracked" column because it "helps piracy", which I felt was rather silly (if you want lists of what's cracked, it's not difficult to find elsewhere). I reverted that since Denuvo is supposed to be "impossible to crack", so noting which titles have, in fact, been cracked is notable enough to remain on the wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:2820:2208:86A6:C8FF:FEDA:2F64 (talk) 01:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying the issue is that it lists whether or not games are cracked. That's valuable information to have. I'm saying the issue is the color coding it uses. Green and red, when used together in a color code, have positive and negative connotations respectively. So using green for "yes" and red for "no" gives the implication that a game being cracked is preferable to it not being cracked. While I personally do think that's preferable, Wikipedia isn't supposed to take sides on issues like this, even with subtle implications like that.  flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 01:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, made the change. – Steel 19:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Usage of "Yes" vs "Bypassed"
As far as I am aware, no existing crack has actually been able to completely remove Denuvo from a title. They are all simply bypasses or exploits of the activation logic. So what is the purpose of having a separate value of "Bypassed". Either all the existing "Yes" should be changed to "Bypassed", or "Bypassed" should be changed to "Yes". Omcnoe (talk) 00:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Definitely yes. As Denuvo hasn't been removed in any of the actual cracks, "Yes" should be replaced to "Bypass" (I did a wrong edit putting the Bypass in the middle, I apologize). And I would personally keep the list simple: If it's cracked with the lastest version, yes, if not, no. Ikobia (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Would that not change the entire list to no's then? Are most of the existing cracks not for older versions of the games, with activation bugs that have now been patched out? Omcnoe (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All of the reliable sources do not make this distinction between cracking and bypassing. They call it "cracked" and so should we. If you think the distinction is relevant for discussion, we could add a sentence or two to the text discussing the differences (based on reliable source reporting). But we should not go against the popular usage of "cracked" as used by all the reliable sources. --Odie5533 (talk) 19:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, there are many examples of "cracks" for other software where the DRM is still actually running, doing activation checks etc. So the distinction is not useful. But it seems that people keep insisting on editing the page to change "Yes"'s to "Bypassed" (Which isn't a useful distinction), so I thought it best to have something on the talk page. Omcnoe (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, restored to yes/no. – Steel 19:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2016
User:Maxylol55


 * If you would like to suggest a change, please say what the change is rather than posting the article to the talk page. --Odie5533 (talk) 07:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2016
Cmon dont glorify denuvo.. just fucking update the crack status Anno, mirrors edge are cracked... Vishnu MS (talk) 20:49, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2016
Hello. Damaged Core has Denuvo as well.|Source Can someone add it, please?
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:57, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Here they are, all have the request code page: Damage Core and Dragon Front and Golfzon Driving Range. I hope I don't need to epxlain what request code page for Denuvo is... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusht (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Toggling. Where exactly do you want the text to be added? Also, FYI, you are close to autoconfirmed, at which point, you can probably make the edit yourself without re-opening this. — Andy W. ( talk ) 08:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2016
In the opening sentence (and anywhere else it might appear), the D in “Digital rights management” should be lowercase. I’m surprised to see such a basic copyediting error on a semiprotected page. 67.14.236.50 (talk) 04:24, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Dane 2007  talk 01:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Anno 2205
Anno 2205 was cracked right, I saw people playing a cracked version. 139.5.51.237 (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Denuvo was added in Anno in the lasted update with the new DLC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zyfworks (talk • contribs) 08:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Someone falsely removed Anno 2205 from the list, thinking that Denuvo was removed, misreading the line that it was actually added. The quoted "cracked" version was actually the version before Denuvo was introduced. Since version 1.03 Denuvo is present and the game is uncracked (as of April/2017, most likely forever). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not2341 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2016
Dishonored 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusht (talk • contribs) 11:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There does not appear to be any information at the link you provided, and it’s not clear what you are requesting. Also, it looks like you’re missing the edit semi-protected template, so no one was alerted to your request. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2016
The windows version for Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is still NOT cracked. The Linux version is. SOURCE: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/16256940/Deus_Ex_Mankind_Divided_Linux-Razor1911

|Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (Linux version only)
 * Square Enix
 * Eidos Montreal
 * 2016-08-23
 * No
 * No

163.158.108.98 (talk) 18:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Stickee (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2016
Carnival Games VR uses Denuvo, no public sources available. They sure do try to hide such facts as much as possible — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lusht (talk • contribs) 19:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears you did not use the edit semi-protected template here. Use of this template is how edit requests are made. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 22:22, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Online / Offline
There should be a column dedicated to show if the game is online based or offline.

For example, game like League of Legends or Dota2 won't make sense if it is cracked or not. Just like Star Wars Battlefront or Titanfall with no offline game play, it would make to differentiate them from rest of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sownage (talk • contribs) 15:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2017
On 5th february 2017, Battlefield 1 game was cracked. Ganesh manyam (talk) 14:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Denuvo removed from some games
Please add an additional column to the article's table of games that indicates if Deuvo has been removed from a game. 217.146.29.69 (talk) 17:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I have been waiting for Denuvo to be removed before purchasing any games, it might be useful for other readers to add another column to indicate if Denuvo has been removed from a game. According to https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/12/after-cracks-developers-remove-denuvo-drm-from-their-games/ it has been removed from Doom and Inside, I have not been able to find a source yet but it also appears to have been removed from Dues Ex: Mankind Divided recently (The steam store no longer mentions the use of Denuvo, it did previously when in use). 217.146.29.69 (talk) 16:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems the article does mention Doom and Inside as well as the climb, http://www.dsogaming.com/news/crytek-has-removed-the-denuvo-anti-tamper-tech-from-the-climb/ but the table could still be improved with the additional column. 217.146.29.69 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 19:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Conan Exiles
Denuvo wasn't cracked. Devs released a patch that removed Denuvo by mistake.They fixed it later on. Scene groups do not bother cracking unfinished products(early access). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.100.92.5 (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

http://www.pcgamer.com/pirates-post-denuvo-free-version-of-conan-exiles-after-funcom-uploads-the-wrong-build/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.100.92.5 (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I corrected this once before and have made the same change again, there is a source in the article that is quite clear. – Steel 16:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit request: Adding a column next to Cracked (6 April 2017)
Hi, just a request to add a column next to Cracked which display the number of days the Game was protected. GoldMath (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I support this addition because the longevity of the protection is frequently commented on by journalists when discussing the strength and usefulness of Denuvo. Denuvo the company also considers the length of uncracked protection to be important as shown in the Kotaku interview. --Odie5533 (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:, you should be able to make this edit yourself if you believe it is worth adding. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Possibly move list of current/former games to dedicated page
The list is quite large as it is, and it's only going to get larger. It might be time to move it to a dedicated list page to prevent this article from being too bloated ShadowStealer7 (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Please Edit URL Link : Prey On Table List of games with Denuvo.
I Clicking Prey On Table List of games with Denuvo. But Link is going to Predation isn't go to Prey (2017 video game) Please Watch And Edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoatThithat (talk • contribs) 04:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2017
In the "List of games with Denuvo" section, the release date for Rime and Constructor are false, it's not 2016-05-26 but 2017-05-26, as seen here: http://store.steampowered.com/app/493200/RiME/ and http://store.steampowered.com/app/579020/Constructor/ Thank you Rehvaro (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done —   IVORK  Discuss 17:52, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Further allegations of performance problems
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/06/rime-denuvo-cracked-faster/

Note that Denuvo completely denied there was any performance cost, but the developer of RIME stated that there was a small performance cost, contradicting Denuvo and corroberating some of the claims against it. 217.146.29.74 (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Denuvo accused of using unlicensed software
https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-accused-of-using-unlicensed-software-to-protect-it-anti-piracy-tool-170605/

Probably worth mentioning in the article or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.63.181 (talk) 14:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Except that it turns out they were not: http://vmpsoft.com/20170606/vmprotect-and-denuvo-gmbh/ BFeely (talk) 15:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2017
Far Cry 5, Assassin's Creed Origins, Southpark The Fractured But Hole must be added here Connor From Romania (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2017
Dishonored Death of the Outsider has been confirmed through the steam page that it will use denuvo. http://store.steampowered.com/app/614570/Dishonored_Death_of_the_Outsider/ Connor From Romania (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2017
Wolfenstein II The New Colossus will use it, Bethesda Softworks use denuvo in all their products Connor From Romania (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2017
Unravel has been cracked : https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6l7qtn/unravelsteampunks/ Connor From Romania (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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It's Cracking, not "Hacking"
In some of the sections it mentions Cracking as "Hacking" which it's not. VoxelGG (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It fits the definition. Multiple ones, actually. flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 01:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2017
Connor From Romania (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017
MrSnailD (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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Needs updating
This page needs to be updated because a few other games have been cracked.

Such as White Day: A Labyrinth Named School, CODEX cracked it in the first day due to a weak protection found in .dll not the .exe itself. Diszxchat (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Because the page was protected, we except admins cannot edit the page. So they have to do that. Diszxchat (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Anno 2205 got Denuvo with an update later. Should it be listed?
Anno 2205 did not launch with Denuvo and was cracked by Codex, and then its updates up to version 1.3.

With version 1.4, Denuvo was introduced and none of its updates have been cracked since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/48fwrf/new_update_for_anno_2205_is_using_denuvo/

It also has a Denuvo support page and its EULA also mentions it.

http://store.steampowered.com//eula/375910_eula_1

https://support.codefusion.technology/anno2205/

IMO it should be added to the list with a "No" cracked condition but with a citation mentioning that it was cracked before getting Denuvo.

Ideas?

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2017
Life is Strange: Before the Storm is confirmed cracked. I just downloaded it. Louisiana22 (talk) 08:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC) Louisiana22 (talk) 08:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
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Life is Strange: Before the Storm
Before the Storm was reportedly cracked. The entry needs to be changed from "no" to "yes".

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6xa9p3/life_is_strange_before_the_storm_episode_1/

Damn it. I should have gotten credit. lol. 71.81.34.121 (talk) 08:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2017
We can confirm Total War Warhammer 2 has Denuvo protection. Please add it into the list. Source: EULA. 210.129.51.214 (talk) 01:19, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2017
Pro Evolution Soccer 2018 should be added: https://steamdb.info/app/592580/depots/ At the "Branches" section says it has denuvo Connor From Romania (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Table update
In the table you've got cracked yes/no for information purposes, but should the time it took also be added for information purposes (E.g. 1 week, etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.3.143 (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Darkness within 2 removal
So it was noted that Darkness Within 2 was originally set to have denuvo according to review copies, but the developers/publishers have apparently decided against using it and the version that got released to the public didn't have it.

Wouldn't this make the game a entry of "List of games formerly using Denuvo" considering it used to have it prior to release? Or is the list for only games that removed it after release? This event is kind of unique so i'm unclear on whether it should.

signed 83.81.35.130 (talk) 08:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2017
Please change the cracked status on South Park The Fractured But Whole from 'No' to 'Yes'

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/775o0v/southparkthefracturedbutwholecodepunks/ Ryanch94 (talk) 12:41, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reddit is not a reliable source. Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  16:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Opening quote
Why does the article start with this quote: "Denuvo's marketing director Thomas Goebl stated that some console-only releases get PC releases due to this technology."

It's like the most positive argument thinkable in favor of the DRM, which just happens to be at the top of the article. That does not give the article a neutral POV.

I propose we move this to a different part of the article, or remove it altogether if it's irrelevant. Buuun (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If no one has an objection to it then I will remove this opening quote. Buuun (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You suggested to move this to a different part of the article, which I did but then you removed it anyway? – Steel 19:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That edit was not visible to me when I edited it. What's your reasoning for keeping such a quote? Buuun (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
Under controversies: an example of some of the problems people can face when installing games with Denuvo. http://www.karldrinkwater.uk/2017/01/denuvo-and-dodgy-drm.html 94.30.11.224 (talk) 13:35, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌: not a reliable source. --Jules  (Mrjulesd) 13:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Denuvo 4.8 bypass
As of yesterday (22nd January 2018) a bypass for Denuvo 4.8 exists. That'd make it possible to crack games like Assassin's Creed:Origin and others. Please update the article.

Source: https://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/114527-denuvo-48-anti-tamper-drm-tech-gets-bypass-crack/

KajTorvaldGrey (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018
Change "Star Ocean: The Last Hope" cracked status to YesYes Viragoxv535 (talk) 14:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018
Star Ocean: The Last Hope Viragoxv535 (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Addition to games that have Denuvo in them.
Game named Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (released 2/23/2018) apparently has Denuvo V5 in it and it should be added to the list of games that have Denuvo in them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AinoaOikeaJaKaikkitietävä (talk • contribs) 20:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

DRM cracking is revolutionary?
'In February 2018, CPY cracked Assassin's Creed Origins successfully, after almost 3 months of the game's release.[24] This achievement could prove revolutionary in PC gaming, as the game had the latest Denuvo v4.9 which had never been bypassed before.'

The enthusiasm is admirable but I'm not entirely sure how 'revolutionary' DRM getting broken is as far as PC gaming goes. 86.29.153.215 (talk) 15:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed this text. – Steel 17:48, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Missing info, needs expansion
Someone removed all info about the first games that were cracked with v4.9 and v5.0 protection. As is this article is missing critical and latest information. I don't see any use for the last paragraph under "History" if we do not include any info about the latest versions of Denuvo and their effectiveness or lack thereof. Please if you think that the article was not written properly, whoever removed it, re write it as you see fit. 94.66.56.196 (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)purple

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018
Far Cry 5 has been cracked, source:https://www.xrel.to/game-nfo/1559102/Far-Cry-5-CPY.html Jackevans01 (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
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Notability of the list?
Is there a reason that the Wikipedia article on this product has a comprehensive list of games using it, as well as a one-stop shop for crack status, when this isn't done for all the other DRM and anti-tamper products currently or formerly on the market? 2604:6000:1509:C01F:B0E8:1DDB:E894:7F31 (talk) 12:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2018
I have found some grammatical and spelling problems with a sentence in the Controversy section of this article.

Other issues with Denuvo in July 2018 in game Sonic Mania Plus, The Develpoer Sega released a new update for Sonic Mania that features a new version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech, causing runs slower to legitmate owner"

should be changed to

"Another issue with Denuvo appeared in July 2018 in the game Sonic Mania Plus. The developer Sega released a new update for Sonic Mania that features a new version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech. According to legitimate users, this new change hace caused massive framerate drops due to excessive hard drive writing." TranceWarp (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018
Regalized (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - Blank request. GABgab 14:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Lords of the Fallen now has a Denuvo-free version
See https://www.gog.com/news/release_lords_of_the_fallen_game_of_the_year_edition So it needs an entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_formerly_using_Denuvo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.35.40.230 (talk) 12:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay i'm calm down now
Okay, Assassin's Creed remove Denuvo (confirmed), how about two game Hitman 2 and Football Manager 19 on steam page they not remove Denuvo.

and Next this about to all. This realy need That Box ? this will make other me and him (edit war). Hope you all think again about the box. i'm just suggest to remove, because box already on reddit site and 100% Trusted.

first i make this account to help denuvo page with my low english grammar, now i found like this very disappoint me. and you will never found me again See ya! Redgars, --Lost memory (talk) 12:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Games
Thoroughly unencyclopedic and poorly sourced content was restored here by an SPA,, with an incomprehensible edit summary, "This not interestic (talk)". I'll repeat my reasons for removing 70k worth of content: a. without solid secondary sourcing there is no good reason to assume that a game's using this software is noteworthy at all: go through the list and you'll see that many if not all of the references are primary, to the manufacturer's website, and thus cannot prove this is worth mentioning; b. the sourcing for whether something was hacked or not is on the other end of the spectrum--independent (in the cases I looked at) but unreliable, since they're all forums and websites. I mean, we're talking about stuff like this, a picture on Reddit. It is ironic that I cannot restore my edit since the article is protected right now because of a dispute over whether this, a kind of forum post, is reliable. As with too many such articles on Wikipedia, we have veered into Wikia territory, with a few editors claiming a kind of OWNership in order to maintain an encyclopedically useless list with amateurish sourcing. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Games that cracked by scene and listed as 'non-scene crack'
there are some games that have cracked by scene and still presented as 'non scene crack' also i changed it myself and someone change them back. the list is as follows: Dead Rising 4 Conan Exiles Dragon Quest Heroes II Transroad: USA Injustice 2 Puyo Puyo Tetris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.191.232.70 (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Stuff that needs an edit or two
1) "According to legitimate users, this new change has caused massive framerate drops due to excessive hard drive writing"

The above is inaccurate. The original source of the the cracker Voksi, whom used the verb "writing" in the context of "causes Denuvo to continue writing in its section until the game is closed." This does not mean that the game performs writes on >the HDD< of all things. It might just as well perform writes in the memory sections that corresponds to Denuvo, which is vastly more likely. Based on my own extensive testing Denuvo *never* performs writes or reads to the disk after it have loaded the offline token from the drive either, since it stores everything it needs in the memory.

2) "List of games formerly using Denuvo"

That section lists three games as having "removed" Denuvo, which haven't happened. The sources for those claims are random blog posts discussing how the game have been cracked. Please remove them from said list:


 * Football Manager 2019
 * Assassin's Creed Odyssey
 * Hitman 2

3) Hitman 2 and "Bad Crack"

The status of this "bad crack" is open for question unless something have changed. Hitman 2 was always designed to have a free prologue, and this fact when put in relation to FCKDRM's crack only granting access to said prologue mission makes it seem less of a crack and more of a... well.. early access to the existing free prologue of the game. FCKDRM's own comment mentions how they only used a general Steam emulator, and as such they basically just bypassed the release date restriction of the game and accessed the demo (the free prologue mission) itself and nothing more. I would recommend changing the "status" of said crack to No instead.

Aemony (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

4) Star Wars Battlefront

No source for that game. Should be removed.

How does it work in detail?
Didn't find any information about it in the article. --134.3.80.238 (talk) 09:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Just Cause 4
https://www.xrel.to/game-nfo/1717357/Just-Cause-4-CPY.html Does anyone got a source why it is tagged as Bad Crack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.93.102.210 (talk) 23:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Nope maybe wrong tag "Bad crack". --i'm invincible 15:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevertrashtalk (talk • contribs)

corrupt wikipedia
Sorry but this is just corruption. Games with Denuvo have been cracked, they exist, they're known about and people can download them from illicit sources. Wikipedia denying this is simply pandering to big business. Stop it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.76.37 (talk)
 * No one's denying anything. The article still has a multitude of references to cracks and bypasses to the software; read the History section, for instance, which is nothing but a listing of when notable games have been cracked. All of your points are still considered in the article, so I find it difficult to understand what you may be taking issue with. --ThePaSch (talk) 11:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

He is referring to the total WIPE if the cracked column! And yes Wikipedia is corrupt and controlled by Wikipedia elitists and "professional" accounts that edit more times then humanly possible, getting payed by big Corps to manipulate, whitewash and promote. Then there are the Admins and Persons with power who in the German and I am sure actually everywhere use their political biases to ban people and edit out things they do not like ... So yes absolutely this is corruption. This "not reliable source" BS is again artificially pulled instead of leaving the column in and finding sources for one game at a time or something. Yes Reddit might not be a source but its well known and not inaccurate and unreliable as claimed that these listed games where all correctly cracked in the game that was listed!--2A02:8108:96C0:986:DACB:8AFF:FE37:79E7 (talk) 06:25, 9 May 2019 (UTC)