Talk:Denver Pioneers

Possible Merger to University of Denver
Some reason this shouldn't be merged? None of the University of Denver's other athletic programs have their own page, and to the best of my knowledge no school ' s hockey program does. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

And if you don't want it to be merged into the article on the school, create Denver Pioneers and have an article about all the school's athletic programs. Even if it starts out just being this information, that's okay. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, Image:du_new.gif needs a fair use rationale expressing why it is fair use in this article. Alone, the boilerplate fair use rationale used in uploading is meaningless. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please explain to me your motivations in suggesting the merger of the page. I have no affiliation with the University and feel that Wikipedia needs a history of DU Hockey. None of the other pioneers teams have pages? So what, I'm not going to extol the virtues of those programs which haven't done diddly poo in their history and have only been D-I for a decade. The hockey program is only reason the other programs have operating budgets. And further, if CC and North Dakota don't have pages on the histories of the there illustrious programs, then I challenge one of their fans to create one. Minnesota has one (look it up), so I will create a DU Hockey page because that program, in my estimation, desreves one on a purely historical platform. I do resent the fact the it is being suggested to be merged with the pathetic Denver University General wiki page. I want this page to be independent of that particular page because it is intended to be for college hockey fans. Your suggestions are taken under advisement, but I have no interest in creating some Kumbaya to the other aspects of the University. I will evaluate my statement regarding the uploading of the DU icon to the page. Thenk You --Ctrottnow (talk) 17:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Get the chip off your shoulder. It doesn't help anything. The matter's been resolved, anyway. Articles with limited-scope content are often merged into parent articles whose scope will cover it and other topics. It's a common procedure. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll clarify. Alone, the content about the hockey team could easily fit in the University of Denver article. Unless it's of great length and development, it's almost always best for articles with limited scope to be included as sections in the parent article. Even if that length and development is eventually forthcoming, it's still best to have them in the parent article until that happens, at which point a brief summary would occur on the parent article and a link to the main article, this one. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How bout this, you guys re linked the page I created. I was in process of creating a rather detailed page.  Not a simple entry.  I am pissed off that you guys would fuck over my idea with your Pollyanna bullshit.  The matter's been resolved? you guys didnt even let me finish.  You guys can eat shit and Fuck Wikipedia.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctrottnow (talk • contribs) 18:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a sentence at the bottom of the page when you make an edit that says If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it. This is how wikipedia works. We are not trying to trash you or upset you, we are just attempting to help you make your article better. -Djsasso (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * editconflict Please read WP:OWN. We work together here at wikipedia. If you want to work unobstructed, do so in your userspace, such as User:Ctrottnow/sandbox. No one will intrude there unless you ask them to. I have a similar subspace for a work-in-progess myself, with plans to transfer it to the mainspace once it's complete. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, fine you want to work friendly, then unlink my page from the Denver Pioneers one and take down all the content. Because it wonderful that you two want to help but your not cause you don't get the point of it. --Ctrottnow (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Two things, we get the point and I totally agree with what you are trying to do and once it gets big enough to have its own article its more than welcome to. The only reason Minnesota and North Dakota have their own pages is because they got to big to leave on the Athletics department pages such as the one at Michigan Wolverines. As far as taking your work down, you are welcome to continue editing it but you did license it to wikipedia when you hit the submit button via GFDL. -Djsasso (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't want your help then. You guys are Nerds and WikiFacists.  Leave my stuff alone.  --Ctrottnow (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well was nice working with you. -Djsasso (talk) 18:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No it wasn't, you didn't ask to change my stuff. and what's amazing is how you changed it with it barely being on the web for five minutes.  Get a life!--Ctrottnow (talk) 18:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That is how wikipedia works, no one asks to work on any other page. Everyone works on anything. I only noticed it because it was brought up on the WP:HOCKEY talk page. I am not sure how he saw it so fast. -Djsasso (talk) 18:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was new page patrolling. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Content pruned from University of Denver
Which should obviously be worked in somehow (some of this is still there, I tried to leave what could function as a summary).

DU's athletic teams are known as the Pioneers and have been fielding intercollegiate teams since 1867. With over 200 All Americans, 25 NCAA Championships and 53 Olympians in its history, there is a long tradition of excellence in Pioneer sports. Today, DU operates a full NCAA Division I athletic program with a unique and successful mix of sports in and around the $75 million Daniel Ritchie Center for Sports and Wellness, which was completed in 2000.

The Pioneer Ice Hockey Program has one of the richest histories in college hockey. Ice hockey is DU's flagship spectator sport, regularly selling out the new 6,000 seat Magness Arena on campus, the showpiece of the Ritchie Center for Sports and Wellness. The Pioneers won consecutive NCAA hockey titles in 2004 and 2005, to go with five previous NCAA Championships in the '50s and '60s, giving DU seven hockey titles overall, second only to the University of Michigan's nine NCAA hockey titles. Skiing is another strong sport at Denver, with 18 NCAA titles (more than any other school) including the most recent in 2005 and as well as three consecutive NCAA titles from 2001 to 2003.

The Women's Gymnastics team finished 10th at the 2007 NCAA Championships. The Denver Women's Soccer teams have appeared in the 2007 and 2006 NCAA Tournaments, while the Men's Lacrosse team appeared in the 2006 NCAA Tournament, and the Women's Basketball team appeared in the 2001 NCAA Tournament. The Mens and Women's Golf teams, Men's Soccer, and Men's Lacrosse teams have all also been ranked in the national top 20 in recent years, while the Men's Basketball team won the Sun Belt West Division in 2005 and appeared in the National Invitational Tournament (NIT) for the first time since the 1950s.

Denver is a member of the Sun Belt Conference for Men's and Women's Basketball, Swimming, Tennis and Golf, as well as Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. The other Denver teams play in various conferences in the sports that are not sponsored by the Sun Belt. Men's Ice Hockey plays in the Western Collegiate Hockey Association, Men's Soccer and Women's Lacrosse play in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, Men's and Women's Skiing competes in the Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association, while Men's Lacrosse plays in the Great Western Lacrosse League. Women's Gymnastics competes as an Independent.

It is no secret that Denver would prefer to play the majority of its sports in a more appropriate regional conference. The West Coast Conference is often cited as Denver's preferred conference destination, given the WCC schools are also smaller private schools that also do not have big-time football. Other possible conferences that are mentioned for Denver include the Mountain West Conference, the Western Athletic Conference and the Big Sky Conference. However, those three conferences are football-driven, and Denver would need to be admitted as a restricted member (if those possibilities were ever to materialize). Until something new happens, Denver will stay as a Sun Belt member.

Football was once the most popular sport at Denver, as the school competed in the Sun Bowl and Alamo Bowl during the late 1940s. The football team played in a 30,000 seat stadium that stood on campus from 1927 to 1974. However, the program was discontinued in 1961 due to financial reasons, and Denver's baseball team was dropped in 1999 when DU returned to full NCAA D-I status.

Denver's athletic alumni include over 50 NHL hockey players, including several who are current (2007–2008) NHLers: 2007 Calder Trophy nominee Paul Stastny of the Colorado Avalanche, Wade Dubielewicz of the New York Islanders, Matt Pettinger of the Washington Capitals, and 2006 Hobey Baker Memorial Award Winner Matt Carle of the San Jose Sharks. Previous DU players who starred in the NHL include Keith Magnuson, Craig Patrick, Cliff Korroll, Peter McNab, Glenn Anderson, and Kevin Dineen. Ledendary hockey coaches at Denver include three former NHL players - Murray Armstrong, Marshall Johnston and Ralph Backstrom. The current hockey coach is George Gwozdecky.

Other notable Denver sports alumni include former Major League Baseball player Dan Schatzeder, NBA basketball players Vince Boryla and Byron Beck, CFL Hall of Famer and former NFL football player Sam Etcheverry, 1952 US Olympic Long Jump Gold Medalist Jerome Biffle, former US Olympic Committee Executive Director Lyman Bingham, and former Colorado Rapids/US National soccer player Nat Borchers. San Antonio Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich received a masters degree from DU but did not play any varsity sports there. Five time world champion and US Olympic figure Skating star Michelle Kwan is currently enrolled at DU as a full-time sophomore, having transferred from UCLA.

Hokcey Site is now Up
The redirection is off the table on this one, it is too big to be a subcategory on another site. I will be updating the section under contruction soon.--Ctrottnow (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Good work. -Djsasso (talk) 21:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See, isn't that simpler than yelling and cursing and throwing a fit? Good job. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I Like to do both, helps the creative juices--12.159.66.26 (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

More Information On The School's Division II Period
It doesn't even mention, for example, when the school moved up from D-II to D-I. Maybe there should be a history of the school's D-II era in here as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.2.156.127 (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)