Talk:Department of Tacna

Border Dispute

 * The whole recent border dispute between Peru and Chile is regarding the limits of this Arica-Parinacota Region. Before that, the only other mayor dispute between both countries involved their territorial waters. Since the legislation creating this new Region was declared unconstitutional, ignoring this as part of the history of the region is not wise at all.
 * This whole paragraph doesn't belong to the Tacna Region at all. It might be included in the Treat of Ancon and the Treaty of Lima (both regarding the frontier between Peru and Chile). Messhermit 17:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have also removed sympathetic claims towards the Peruvian side for the sake of neutrality. Hopefully, this will end the dispute. Messhermit 17:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I have already exposed my arguments for deleting your recent changes in the article:


 * It has nothing to do with the War itself, but rather another separate settlement. The Treaty of Ancon (the one that effectively ended the war) and the Treaty of Lima (the one that solved the problem of Arica and Tacna) are separated for at least 40 years of difference.
 * The recent dispute deals more with the maritime sovereignty of both countries, rather than a territorial question. This issue was already addressed during Alejandro Toledo's presidency, and even though it continues to be a source of friction between both countries, it traces its origins to a proclamation issued by Chile, Peru and Ecuador in the early 1950’s.
 * Also, the article doesn't have accurate information, claiming that the Peruvian Government recalled his ambassador from Santiago or that the article has to deal more with a law defining the boundaries of a new Chilean region rather than unilaterally modify its international borders
 * Looking at the history of the talk page, it is more than clear that Bdean1963 unilaterally decides what belongs here and what doesn't. He refused to discuss this topic more than once in the "Talk Page".

Messhermit 19:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Messhermit thank you for your commentary. While I defend your right to express your opinion, I respectfully disagree with you, not to mention your slapdash slander. In our collective endeavor to advance knowledge about the controversial, yet consequential historical consequences of the maritime disputes associated with the War of the Pacific, I trust you will provide sourced facts that will be able to substantiate your opinions. Regards, User:Bdean1963 28 October 2007

To avoid continued misunderstanding, I suggest User:Messhermit that you please discuss your edits on the "talk page" prior to removing credible and verifiable information relevant to this entry. Thank you. User:Bdean1963 28 January 2007


 * I have already asked for Full Protection for this article after reading your baseless accusations. The one that is not willing to discuss anything here is you, and my editions here and your lack of respect can refute any argument that you may have. If you want to add something, discuss it first here and then edit later, that's the way of how Wikipedia has being working so far. Messhermit 00:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Given User:Messhermits remedial understanding of scholarship and his prior pattern of deceptive behavior on Wikipedia, his comments pasted above are not surprising, albeit profoundly confused and filled with vitriol. Nevertheless, I reiterate my “good faith” effort at resolving the content dispute over the Tacna Region entry and look forward to resolving our different points of view. User:Bdean1963 00:35 29 January 2007

http://www.coha.org/2005/09/15/the-peru-chile-arms-race-current-ramifications-of-a-bitter-history/

 Planetary Chaos  Talk to me  00:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your recent contribution to the mentioned article. However, the center of this dispute is not about the Peru and Chile historical rivalry, but rather of POV. The last Peruvian-Chilean dispute was already solved when it became know in both countries, and it involves more of a local dispute (the constitutionality of a Chilean law creating a new region) rather than an international dispute. Messhermit 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing a border dispute between both countries because each one recognizes the established frontier as demarked in the Treaty of Lima. This Treaty is recognized by International Law. The War of the Pacific ended in 1884 and the Treaty of Lima was signed in 1929, 40 years later. Stating that the current dispute can be directly related to (as of 2007) an incident that happened more than 150 years ago. Such a broad argument can be used to include the dispute that both countries have regarding Cevishe, Pisco and Soccer, just to name a few. Should we also include those ones in the article about the war? Messhermit 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Now, the inclusion of this "supposed territorial dispute" as presented by the other party involved in this controversy is merely based on POV. Chile doesn't have to ask whether it can create a new province or not in its own territory, and neither Peru can unilaterally declare part of the new Chilean XV Region as part of its territory. The Constitutional Tribunal of Chile already addressed that the law defining the borders of the Chilean XV Region was unconstitutional on the grounds that it didn't follow the proper procedure, and at any moment ordered or asked the Chilean Government to define its frontier with Peru. Messhermit 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Issues like the mentioned above can happen at any moment and had indeed happened before. It just need a badly written law (in either Peru or Chile) to once again invoke nationalism. The same can happen in Bolivia, and in many other parts around the world. Messhermit 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Content & Editorial Dispute
I provided User:Messhermit with a good faith effort at resolving an editorial dispute regarding the Alberto Fujimori entry. Unsuccessful mediation resulted in User:Messhermit’s temporary ban on editing the Alberto Fujimori entry, which as I have noted, has been disregarded by User:Messhermit. I welcome civil, non-threatening dialogue regarding the editorial/content dispute over the War of the Pacific and Tacna Region entries. I will let User:Messhermit’s recent contributions speak for themselves,  ,. I stand by my assertion that the historical record of the War of the Pacific and the Tacna Region have shaped the recent maritime dispute between Chile and Peru. As noted by another editor's link to the Council on Hemispheric Affair's essay, the War of the Pacific continues to influence the nature of domestic politics and bi-lateral relations between Peru and Chile. User:Bdean1963 8 February, 2007


 * Please avoid advertising yourself and/or your opinions. Stick to the topic and please state with accurate sources why is that the recent maritime dispute belongs here. Thanks. Messhermit 21:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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