Talk:Department secretary

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Requested move 9 September 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: I am finding consensus to move because of ItsPugle's research. "It's better English" is not a very strong argument to make in terms of WP:AT. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Departmental secretary → Department secretary – As per WP:CONCISE. There's no reason to use the longer and awkward adjective over the cleaner noun. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 12:00, 9 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. How on earth does an extra two letters make the current form "awkward"? It's better English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's awkward in that it sounds like a generic secretary within a public department, rather than a department secretary. If there wasn't a distinction between the two, then how could it be better English? Anyways, it's two unnecessary characters regardless - the semantics are still conveyed without them. The role is also called "department secretary" in HQRS:, the websites of shadow ministers, and even federal government department websites. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 08:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. The article title should be whatever they are most commonly called in Australia. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * +1 for the comment by Rreagan007. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like "department secretary" is the most common term on Google Ngrams, the same with Google Trends. A quick Google also shows that Australian government websites also use "department secretary":
 * NSW Government job listing
 * Department of Veterans' Affairs
 * Parliamentary research paper from 1999
 * Department of Infrastructure press release
 * Department of Territories release from 1966
 * Department of Education release from 2015
 * Senate Committee hearing
 * I think this all pretty well covers WP:COMMONNAME too then! ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 01:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)