Talk:Derek Bailey (guitarist)

Sign of 4
I removed the entry for Sign of 4 from the recommended recordings--I'm afraid I just don't think it very recommendable, especially as a sample of Bailey's work as opposed to Metheny's (Metheny scribbles all over the 3 discs of the set so you can barely hear him). In recompense I added two discs from the 1980s that are very approachable, indeed the kind of thing that got me listening to Bailey in the first place. --NDorward.


 * I'd still like to see sign of 4 included though as it's an example of the sheer diversity of the players Bailey has worked with, maybe change the discography header to Examples rather than recommended as an acceptable compromise? quercus robur 17:49, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Sure, that seems fine. --ND

Tied up
and has tied the guitar in chains to provide an extra source of sound. Has bailey actually done this? and if so I would suggest that this approach isn't his usual one, in many ways he approaches the guitar quite 'conventionally', eshewing effects and preparations in favour of a 'straight' guitar sound. I have sevarl of his albums and have never heard him utilisiung chains and the like. whilst certainly not an exhaustive collection of bailey's work I'd suggest that wrapping his instrument in chains and the like is atypical Bailey behaviour and thus the passage should nbe edited accordingly.

Cheers quercus robur 23:50, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes I'd agree: Derek's probably tried just about everything once (e.g. he plays two guitars simultaneously on his first solo disc) but he doesn't tend to use preparations. For a period in the 1970s he used a two-amplified setup & sometimes a guitar with extra strings, but basically he just plays straight guitar. --ND


 * I'm pretty sure that he has used chains (but I can't remember when or where, even though I've a feeling I've a record with him doing it somewhere), but of course, you're right that it's atypical. I'll see if I can tweak the article. --Camembert


 * Actually, since it looks like it was me who mentioned chains in the first place, and since I can't find the reference/record that made me put that in, I've taken it out to be on the safe side. If I (or anybody else) does come across just where he does this (if indeed he does at all), it'll be fine to go back in with a specific reference, of course, as an exception to the norm. --Camembert

Found the source of this information about the chains!! here you go:

http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mbailpg3.html

But the thing I wanted to say was: is it true that Derek just died? Good lord, what a black day in music history.... ND 23:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Where did you hear that DB had died? I looked on the internet but couldn't find anything about this- nothing on the Incus website... I hope you are mistaken. It was bad enough Joe Strummer dying so close to Xmas... quercus robur 23:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

born in 1932 ?
wasn't he born in 1930 ? see http://www.shef.ac.uk/~ps/efi/mbaileyb.html


 * Yes, 1930. I've made the change & made some additions too. --ndorward

collaborators
Does anyone else think it would be productive to compile a list (selective or exhaustive) of Bailey's past collaborators? This would be an excellent way to show the extremely diverse range of musicians he's played with. Suggestions as to how to organize and format this? --198.150.40.60 14:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

better source on death
It took some doing, but I used a search engine on a Barcellona news website, which led me to this article in French:

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3246,36-724902@51-725095,0.html

I used an online translator to get the text below:

"Bailey died out in London at the 75 years age, in the first hours of December 25." Thus Martin Davidson, his principal producer, announced by e-mail the death of the guitarist, who was reached of a neuro-degenerative disease. The director of the Emanem label, which published fifteen discs of his/her English friend, thus confirmed information which circulated via forums Internet devoted to the jazz. The amateurs cry "a father of the impromptu music" which, for thirty-five years, had opened a radical way, at the borders of the jazz and experimental music."

Krispen Hartung info@krispenhartung.com


 * It would be good to have an English language website with that text on it- for the time being I think the link to Martin Davidson's announcement is probably adequate until Bailey's death is documented on more solid 'verifiable' sources- there still seems to be some confusion as to whether Bailey died in Barcelona or London- I'm still hoping we'll get a post from Bailey on his website explaining that it's all been a misunderstanding.... quercus robur 00:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

dead links
Some song samples are gone, permanently? --194.237.142.10 11:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Updated and restored links to sound samples quercus robur 22:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

full vocabulary of the instrument?
The part about "He explored the full vocabulary of the instrument..." is not true. Bailey devised new vocabulary for guitar and was uniquely original in this aspect. But vast swathes of guitar vocabulary were left unexplored. Just think of all the guitarists with distinct styles that Bailey never approached. It didn't interest him to go that route. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nono1234 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

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