Talk:Derren Brown: The Events

Lottery
The 10 minute show on the 9th is one where he plans on predicting the lottery results live as the draw happens. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2624817/Derren-Brown-Ill-predict-Lotto-numbers-during-show.html http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Derren_Brown_to_predict_winning_lottery_numbers&in_article_id=732702&in_page_id=34 --81.158.106.197 (talk) 11:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

So is it OK if I add the lottery episode because for the other three episodes it talks about the tricks before the big event but the lottery descrition dosen't mention them, I planning to add them in to be in line with the latter three episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toad Lash (talk • contribs) 21:29, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Theories
Probable explanation of method - there are some very credible explanations of how the lottery prediction was performed floating about. Careful analysis of the footage on Youtube shows one of the balls apparently move spontaneously. This combined with the fact that watched carefully, the long single shot that made up most of the prediction show appears to be from a tripod mounted camera with artificial camera shake added points very strongly to this being s split screen effect. See  and. Is it worth commenting on this in the mail article? Tim Boothby (talk) 22:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC) - I'm not sure, but isn't this the kind of unverified, un-sourced statements that Wikipedia hates? 90.221.137.20 (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree - this is typical speculation which is supposedly outlawed on this site. Why should this page be any different? To create a section called 'likely explanation' and have no references at all smacks of it being a skeptic's theory dressed up as the accepted opinion. Bin it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.223.166 (talk) 16:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think theories which are widespread and credibly reported could surely be added? (Not saying this has reached that level yet, maybe give it a few days.) RichsLaw (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that unless Brown offers an alternative explanation, the section already existing describing responses to the trick is probably adequate as far as reporting that not everyone believes Brown's explanations offered in the show. Until there's a reliable source for the locked off camera, it shouldn't be added as a possible explanation above the other ideas floating around out there. JonStrines (talk) 10:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

-All of the "explanations" which have been listed here - which are direct quotes from Derren Brown - are plainly nonsense, and are just what an illusionist has stated. Should we really be giving clearly false explanations such credence? I'm sure we can find quotes from respectebale sources giving a reasonable explanation. To quote directly his "explanations" as if they were real when he is an illusionist is the equivalent of quoting directly a magician who explains his conjuring tricks by him saying "the effects were achieved using real magic". Clearly magicians don't use real magic, and clearly illusionists like derren brown use illusions to create their effects - he can't really predict numbers - despite what was said on the programme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.40.144.59 (talk • contribs) 11:51, 14 September 2009 I think the page now reads quite well and the explanations offered are well sourced.--138.40.144.59 (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Camera trick is really the only sensible explanation, and there is plenty of good evidence. I know plenty about manipulation of video, and there is absolutely zero parallax on the "tricked" shot of Derren before he reveals his prediction. This is entirely impossible given that the camera was supposedly handheld. That, and the moving ball, make for pretty conclusive evidence in my opinion.

By the way, the "live" audience in the second show... wasn't. There are a number of continuity errors that prove it was a pre-record - I've made an edit but I'm sure it would be pounced upon without a citation, and there's no-one I can cite but myself! David (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, make sure you read WP:OR, which explains why you can't cite yourself ;). Talk Islander 22:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently Derren Brown was active on Twitter at the same time as talking on the phone on live television. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The recorded audience wasn't live, it was only the phone calls, and there are no posts or tweets during the program by Derren, first tweet was at "10:16 PM Sep 18th from Echofon" 16 mins after the program, and the first blog post was at 11:01 (you can check it on the blog - has a timestamp). If you are talking about the two tweets that appear at 9.55pm and 9.57, they are automated tweets generated by the blog from posts that were by Derren's team (check the post authors - Coops and Abeo).


 * That's ok, it's only what I was told. I have no interest in his blog or following him on Twitter. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:38, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that there needs to be more information about what Brown said afterwards - how he could have possibly tricked the public but he would have told them if he had done it. Just a thought ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reubenwilliamson (talk • contribs) 10:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC) Ahh... I have just rewatched the Darren Brown: Behind the Mischief video. He says that he planned to let the audience know that it was a trick 'I fixed it' but he couldn't.. will write an edit on this. Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reubenwilliamson (talk • contribs) 10:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Event 3
The images was described by it's painter as "concentric circles", "Stonehenge; that's what the dashes are", and not as a target. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 17:53, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * However, during the show, some circle drawings were shown which look nothing like what was on the canvas, which had 3 rings in a 'target' shape. I think that saying 30% of people had that exact shape is misleading. Greggydude (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say that, it says 30% drew some form of concentric circles, and that the design on the canvas was some form of concentric circles. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 20:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, a 'target' form.Greggydude (talk) 10:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Event 4 Aftermath
Channel 4 website appears to bil a further show on Monday. Lets avoid an edit war until its clear.Jonathan McLeod (talk) 21:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note also that the post here makes no mention of a follow-up. No information about the Monday programme should be added until concrete verification is provided about what it is. Remember, WP:Wikipedia is a work in progress. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 21:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Well there's better evidence for it than against it at the moment, even if it seems likely it may be a repeat, the Channel 4 website is currently billing it as a new episode.Jonathan McLeod (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What an automatic notification says is better evidence than what the person who makes the programme says? Just wait til it's broadcast instead of making conjectures and original research. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 21:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict occurred and I believe the information has already been removed) It is clear, and I will be removing it again. This is why: at this link to "The Events" page on the Channel4 webiste, Derren Brown says: "A big thank you from Derren:

"All good things have to come to an end and I wanted to thank the viewers for making The Events live up to its name. Along the way, 20m viewers have tuned in to see me predict the lottery, subliminally selling a giraffe in Hamleys, get stuck to your sofas, become psychic spies and last night, risk one viewers cash on the spin of a roulette wheel- well it was near perfect - and I hope most of all I have surprised and entertained you."

"I'll be back on C4 in two months time as part of 3D Week in November. You'll all be able to revel in the glory of me in 3D by collecting your special 3D specs from Sainsburys stores around November time. I'm also taking my sell-out show Engima on the road around the UK, next year, so hope to see you then."

"For now, thank you once again and I invite you to follow me on twitter @derrenbrown and I'll see you soon on C4.""


 * Brown clearly says that he will not be on Channel4 until November. Also, if you follow this link to Channel4's Monday listings, and click on the Derren Brown show, it says the following: "Monday 5 October, Channel 4, (R) (S)" where "(R) stands for repeat. I will therefore remove the bit from the article. Information on a repeat is not necessary. Alan16 (talk) 22:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Dates for third and fourth installments
The article does not provide any information on when the third and fourth installments aired. Propaniac (talk) 15:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. OrangeDog  (τ • ε) 19:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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