Talk:Derveni Krater

Translation notes
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 * Don't know translation for "inv. B1" in caption of image of the krater.
 * It's the accession number. "Inv." means "inventory", which is the French standard way to present accession numbers (every museum has its own way of assigning them). Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC) (one of the authors of the Frenh article)


 * 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence: could "lors" mean "since the time of its discovery"? From context I think it means at the time of, not since.
 * "Lors" means "when it was discovered".Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. I got confused because I thought my dictionary defined "lors" as "depuis";  actually it was talking about "depuis lors".  --Coppertwig 12:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 2nd paragraph, convives, I put fellow banqueters, could be translated as friends, fellow party-goers etc. (in French means someone sharing a meal) --Coppertwig 17:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * same sentence: what I translated as ladled (puisée) could mean that cups were dipped into it --Coppertwig 18:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 3rd paragraph 1st sentence. fondues (melted) should perhaps be translated as "cast"?
 * I changed it to "cast" but don't know enough about metalworking to know whether this is correct. --Coppertwig 15:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * palmettres, can't find, guessed it as palm leaves
 * Yep. Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * panse: translate as opening, rim, spout, funnel?
 * Belly. Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence: surtout (above all), not sure if this is abstract ("most important") or physical ("higher than"). --Coppertwig 19:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Abstract ("most important"). Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "most of all" to remove this ambiguity in the English. However, I find it still doesn't sound quite right:  perhaps it should be "most interesting of all" or "most figurative of all" or "interestingly" or "most prominently" or something else.  How about "most prominently"?


 * 4th paragraph 2nd sentence: "wearing only one shoe", literally more like "shod on a single foot":  the French does not specify whether it is a shoe, boot or sandal.  (or ski for that matter. :-)  Maybe sandal would be a better guess.  Or "with one bare foot".  --Coppertwig 19:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4th paragraph. Another "lors".  Again I'm not sure if it means at the time of, or since the time of.  I think it's at the time of. --Coppertwig 19:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * At the time of. Jastrow 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Language tags?
I notice that some other pages, such as Hellenistic Civilization, have a bunch of language tags at the bottom which you can see if you edit the page. I don't know how they work. I wonder if these need to be added to this page and to Hellenistic Art. --Coppertwig 19:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Other links at bottom
There are some links at the bottom (in External Links) which only work in the French Wikipedia. Maybe they should just be deleted. --Coppertwig 20:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Date
"made around 330 to 320 BC by artists in the court of Philip II of Macedon." But Philip was assassinated in 336.--Wetman (talk) 07:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)