Talk:Dervish/Archive 1

Idiomatic usage
I am putting in a bit about the idiomatic expression "like a whirling dervish" David G Brault 02:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Begging not encouraged in Islam
Unlike the principles or social ettiquette in Islam, begging is not encouraged because practising Muslims believe that a hand that gives is better than the hand that receives. This means that it is better if we look for work to earn our living and donate some of our wealth to the needy or just simply offering to help others to make things better.
 * A common misconception is that of the aggressive begger being synonymous with the ascetic dervish. To live as a dervish in a state of mendicancy is not to beg, but to accept what is offered. To travel the land in utmost poverty glorifying the Word of God subsisting off of little more than the offerings of the kind is a more accurate portrayal than the unwillingly impoverished who accost individuals and beg for money to alleviate their distress. Peter Deer (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

wiki project dance
do not think it should be in wiki project dance. not all dervish orders dance and some evangelical Christian churches dance but If you put evangelical Christianity into wikiproject dance then no one would take you seriously. I agree.

Dervish and Fakir
what is the difference with a fakir ? Andries 08:56, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * The fact that Darwaish is something a Sufi would never call himself--would consider it pretentious; most would refer to themselves as faqeers (meaning a person that is a seeker of truth, and as a sign of humility) or saaliks (which means seeker). In traditional South Asian culture, darwaish was a compliment; calling oneself a faqeer was a way of showing humility--or a mild pejorative.--67.118.240.18 23:36, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Forgive me for adding a title to your part, I just felt that it would facilitate further responses, as this is a subject I'm quite interested in, and I don't want to have to scroll past all that wikiproject stuff to get to it. Peter Deer (talk) 11:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Isolated part
I isolated the following part; it is definitely interesting, but would need references and form of third person (no "we" but "them". Otherwise it is a great addition - Skysmith 18:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

We have 3 levels, and Darvish is the one who has reached the first level. The second is Qalifeh, and the third is Moulavi or sheikh. In fact all these names are titles - from anon probably from Iran


 * According to the writer and Sufi Idries Shah, dervishes are those who are still on the path and still learning, whereas the Sufi is one who has already walked the path or "arrived".


 * Shah maintains that Sufis do not refer to themselves as such, in this context because to do so would be pretentious, and also because the Sufis themselves recognize others like them as "people like us" or "we friends" -- whatever their creed, colour; etc -- and consider the word "Sufi" a peel-off label.


 * EricT 16:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's strange how everyone thinks dervishes cut themselves up. they don't. In Quran it says (english translation): "do not harm the body God gave you, not even a strand of hair".

he practices of either group are clearly defined is far fetched by my reckoning, as we can see clear differentiation in behaviors of members of both. Peter Deer (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC) peter deer I agree with many dervishes have followed shariah law and even been Islamic clerics("Mullahs")what is more mullah is not even a proper term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.94.126 (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Guild Wars
In this game the Dervish is a playable proffesion, maybe adding that into a Popular Culture section or something? See http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dervish for more info. -84.68.39.237 (talk) 15:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think adding that is prudent. Egads, imagine how long Priest, Barbarian, Wizard etc. would be! Peter Deer (talk) 11:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but you know what, how many games have Dervish as a class? I think it fits, there are many articles that have very, very long lists concerning Popular Culture references, and Dervish at the moment has, let's see... hmm... Carry the three... Divide by... Oh, wait, it doesn't have any at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.181.61 (talk) 18:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek Online
I can understand removing the images which I had originally included; however, removing the legitimate cultural reference I have included, which also included a reference place, would be inappropriate. Star Trek is an important Intellectual Property, the term is playing an important part in popular culture, this the information is valid and should remain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starliner650 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but per Wiki's policy, something has to be reported on by an actual news source before it can be added here. STO's website and forums are not a news source. The whole dervish "incident" would have to be reported on by something like MMORPG.com or some other video game news site for it to be on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.80.141.24 (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

InterWiki request

 * [[:bg:Дервиш ]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chech Explorer (talk • contribs) 14:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Dervish as a fighter
it's quite common in fantasy setting to have a Dervish depicted as some sort of martial artist. Anyone know the origin of this? also most of the pictures in the article depict a Dervish holding a weapon, what purpose does this serve? Sufis have fought for the ummah although Sufism is not directly link to warfare(it is the greater jihad which may strengthen the lesser)

Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
In the 2010 Prince of Persia film there were also depictions of Dervishes, now I know it is a fantasy film and there were also hashshashins placed in the time of the achaemenid period, but there is a lot of Persian in this article. Is the tradition of the Dervishes really only known from the muslim era? 81.68.255.36 (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Derivation is infact from Turkish word Derviş
though its origin has it roots to persian, English word for Dervish is in fact derivated from (Ottoman)Turkish word Derviş (-ş is pronounced as -SH "Dervish")

as its stated here http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=dervish&searchmode=none

it must be added to the article


 * Done, and you could have done so, too. Huon (talk) 21:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)