Talk:Desegregation in the United States Marine Corps

Black Marines were in combat in WW II
Nice article, but it stops short and leaves the impression that Black Marines did not serve in combat zones, but they did, see this and google something like "black marine wwii". BarkingMoon (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, absolutely, I'm working on expanding the article by perhaps 20,000-30,000 bytes more, so of course combat will be covered. Binksternet (talk) 21:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. BarkingMoon (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Undue tag
Absent discussion by RightCowLeftCoast who tagged the article with the edit summary of "does not encompass all minorities", I will begin the discussion of the indicated problem.

Basically, Asians, Amerindians and white Hispanics all had an easier time joining the Marines than blacks did. I will bring those other minorities into the discussion, but the meat of the story is the African-American contribution.

Asians join the American military in very small proportion to the general population. This has always been true and is still true today.

Native American Indians were first brought into the Marines as special code talkers, distributed widely in small groups, a total of about 400 soldiers in WWII. They did not form whole battalions. Today they join the Marines in very small numbers.

White Hispanics have had little trouble in the Marines. Notable individuals have earned top medals since 1899. I am having a very difficult time finding out about specifically non-white Hispanics in the Marines; the sources are not many if they are out there at all.

At any rate, I will be making the article reflect all the non-white minorities. Binksternet (talk) 23:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent move in the right direction. BarkingMoon (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This article is filling in nicely. Keep up the good work. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Phillip Johnston
I don't think he was Native American. It says his dad was a missionary and he learned Navajo from Navajo kids. It seems he was a white guy who happened to live among Native Americans.BarkingMoon (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks! Binksternet (talk) 22:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

1948 to 1960
Marines do not guard the Capitol. Soldiers do. (It makes one wonder if Airmen guard the Supreme Court, but I digress.) Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:44, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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WEIGHT issues
This is way too soft 1949-1981. I'm picking "New Wave" as a terminal point due to archival openings and the transformation of post-Carter United States into a new order of economic and social relationships. This isn't a problem with the use of existing resources, but rather a problem with editors not having sought out and used post 1949 fixated resources adequately. The article moves from considered military personnel history into institutional boasting. We can do better than what the USMC or its supporters thought about itself in the 1950s 1960s and 1970s. Both post-archival scholarship, and engaged pre-archival scholarship ought to exist on this topic: desegregation was not one order, but a process of transformation of the USMC from an image of the United States belief about itself as a segregated white nation, to an image of the United States belief about itself in terms of contemporary political constructions of raciality and service.

This is ***not*** meant to criticise existing editors work on the article, but rather, as someone who really sought to get his teeth into 1948-1979, the meat for me was absent. Please. I want to read the similar high quality content 1948-1979 as exists 178x-1979.

As a brief, the article could do with observing raciality in British North American recruitment of marines and equivalents, and the organisation of underground naval oriented revolutionary paramilitary prior to the formation of the Continental Marines: the prehistory of raciality in what would become the coastal and trading communities which supplied UK marines and revolutionary undergrounds. 08:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)