Talk:Desinicization campaign/Archive 1

Creole Chinese
The Sino-Vietnamese "Creole Chinese" has nothing to do with the existing definitions for "creole". Used liberally here, "creole" means "local born", or "nativized". Either delink or add definition.-Troll -- 01:56, 14 January 2003 (UTC)
 * 24.42.43.3 if you are going to sign you post with a handle register it by login on. If you don't do that you might be using somebody's name or somebody could decide to be Troll and secure the name out from under you.

Users can sign their handle with three ~. Two16 19:25, 14 January 2003 (UTC)
 * I guess the burden lies in proving there is such a thing as Chineseness and defining the meaning of sinicization and desinicization. I think a more proper term might be acculturation or cross culturation as cultures are living things that change over time and through contact with other cultures. Taiwan is a perfect example. Did the aborigines on Taiwan become sinicized? I don't think you could ever prove that as the immigrants from China became Taiwanicized which would void the sinicization. Or if being Chinese means being connected to the Chinese state and the current Chinese state experienced massive ideological and cultural upheaval in the 1950's through the 1990's, did Taiwan, if it was Chinese, before desinicized? Id didn't take part in the great changes of China. Existence outside the Chinese state for any amount of time could be classified as desinicization. Can anyone flesh this out a bit to prove the term? -- 01:45, 27 June 2003 (UTC)

Identity
I don't think its necessary or even possible to "prove" an identity in the same that you state. Chineseness is a fuzzy concept with internal self-contradictions, uncertain boundaries, and inconsistent definitions, but the same is true for
 * any* national identity. People and societies are messy and they don't fit into nice neat categories. -- Roadrunner 02:07, 27 June 2003 (UTC)
 * That's my point. In order to sinicize or desinicize you need to define the meaning of sinicization. With Taiwan it gets really sticky to compare which China effected who. Qing China, Ming China Modern China, Nationalist China and then what makes it whatever form of "Chinese so dominant that it overpowers native culture. Check Dr. Melissa Brown on this. 21:59, 27 June 2003 (UTC)

Vietnam
I removed the paragraph about Vietnam, since Vietnam was originally an independent nation before being invaded by China for 1000 years. If anything, the original Vietnamese language was Sinicized, not de-Sinicized. 128.195.100.62 10:17, 11 April 2004 (UTC)

Bananas
I removed the paragraph about 'banana's". The term does not have anything to do with the process of removing Chinese culture. I also removed the Khun_Sa example, as it makes no sense in this context as why he would be an example of Desinicization. Wenzi 22:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Chinese River
The statement about the "Chinese River" was not part of desinicization. The article is about a process. That fact would be better for the article on [Seoul] itself. Wenzi 10:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Examples section
I am cleaning up the Examples section. IT is too wordy and has a lot of statements that belong in other articles. Wenzi 23:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Pinyin
The Pinyin is not an example of Desinicization as Hanyu Pinyin was never used in Taiwan ( which used Wade Giles )) Wenzi 16:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. they did not want to use pinyin, because it is Chinese. 06:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Quality
I think this article has a really low quality which was written by China nationalist. The article does not talk about the desinicization of Japan, Korea and Vietnam. The article is talking about Taiwan independent movement not desinicization. 01:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE STOP using unreasonable examples.
Chinese culture does not belong to KMT or CCP which means Removing the Symbols of these 2 parties means nothing about desinicization. Chiang is only a Chinese tyrant. Removing the symbol about him means nothing about desinicization. If it is called desinicization, the revolution in 1911's China can also be called desinicization. These 2 parties are NOT so great that removing them equals to removing Chinese culture. Also, the Republic of China NEVER adopt the Pinyin system which created by the CCP. If using different spelling system of Chinese Characters from China can be called desinicization, you can say that using Traditional Chinese is also desinicization! 11:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You got brainwashed by the dpp, so stop vandalizing the people. You can't think for yourself any more. 19:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You relly got brainwashed by KMT! -- 05:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE DON'T write wrong information.
Some users are always writing wrong information in this article! What they wrote are not acceptable in the Chinese page. Many people checked the Chinese page and agreed that these examples are not Desinicization. Only some people think these are; but these examples cannot be written without telling why they are unreasonable. If you do not understand Chinese, DON'T write than. If you understand Chinese, read the "去中國化" and "去蔣化" in Chinese carefully before writing this article. You must have enough background information before writing all articles! -- 16:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)