Talk:Dethklok/Archive 1

Murderface is a nihilist
At the beginning of the episode Happy Dethday, Pickles says: "Wait a minute, that guy [Murderface] is a nihilist. Where does he need a birthday for?"

Wartooth Parent
Can we get a picture of Toki's parents on this page? I've been searching for one but couldn't find any. If anyone finds one, please add it to the Toki section, near where it talks about his parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.37.69 (talk) 23:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not that it's hard to take a screen cap, but why would the article need a picture of his parents, or any of their parents for that matter? I don't get it. Domorrigan (talk) 04:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Number of albums
"but they have released 16 albums before the series began, as mentioned in Dethwater"

Unless I'm much mistaken, the mention of 16 albums was the number of potential albums that ended up deleted by the frontman? I'm not going to jump in and make the edit until this is seconded by someone else


 * yah, thats what that line refered too. it is unclear how many albums were released. ...Patrick (talk, contributions) 07:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Toki
I went ahead and deleted the Sentence under Toki about his only offensive word being Dildos, as that is actually Skwizgar.

Dethklok Band Member Refrences
this is just a wild guess but Dethkloks band members resemble those of real band members, besides Toki being already known who he resembles For example Toki(Fredrik Thordendal)of Meshuggah,Pickles(Devin Townsend) of strapping young lad, Nathen(George Fisher)of Cannibal Corpse, MurderFace(Geezer Butler)of Black Sabbath, Skwisgar(Alexei Laiho) of Children of Bodom. I could be mistaken but its worth a guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flash512 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

George fisher looks amazingly like Nathan and can be seen wearing a shirt with the Dethklok emblem on it. George Fisher Dethklok shirt The band Cannibal Corpse can also be seen posing in an extremely similar fashion to Dethklok prompting me to believe that the stance may have actually come from cannibal corpse before Dethklok's use. Cannibal Corpse 2004 Dethklok

Dethklok Heavy/Death Metal or Black Metal?
This has been a question and from what I've seen heavy metal is changed to black metal on the article repeatedly, I think Dethklok is Black Metal, for one their Logo is similar to the logo of [Venom] and [Mayhem] which are both Black Metal Bands, not to mention Bathory which is a Swedish Black Metal band has a band member who resembles Skwisgaar Skwigelf who is Swedish himself, Also if you look at toki he resembles Varg Vikernes Who is from Bergen, Norway, and is a black metal musician, as toki himself was from Norway. Another fine point is the impact that dethklok has on the show with, Teens,Adults, as does Black metal when it came to the public doing just about anything to get a shine from a band member such as murder/suicide/Homicide( see Ohlin's suicide as example). Plus for those who have listened to black metal you can see a greater difference in Dethkloks music style compared to heavy metal or death metal, Although it states that black metal is the use of heavily-distorted guitars, high-pitched/low shrieking vocals, fast-paced rhythms and melodies, and unconventional song structures. Which matches the exact play style as dethklok. I say that dethkloks genre is more Black metal than any and should be corrected within the article replacing Death/Heavy with Black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flash512 (talk • contribs) 06:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you know what Black Metal is other than album covers and who listens to it? Very few musical elements you have named are present in Black Metal. Dethklok has fast guitar solos, low grunted vocals, Fast drumming, and lyrics reffering to extremely brutal and unlikely deaths, aggression towards the listener, and some power metal elements (e.g. Go into the Water). The only Black metal element in Dethklok is the use of corpsepaint, which is not even restricted to Black metal. Dethklok is also reffereed to on the show as a death metal band, by themselves and fans.
 * You can say whatever you want about the black metal references in the series, their music is 100% death metal.
 * The vocal are typical death growls
 * Gene Hoglan is a death metal drummer and has played in Strapping Young Lad and genre defining death metal band Death
 * The bands' lyrics and other references to death (unlike the satanic themes in black metal) (even their name is Dethklok)
 * The low tuned guitars and "chugging" rhythms.


 * Ask any death or black metal fan and he will tell you the same. Kameejl (Talk) 23:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, Deathklok isn't death metal and it's really just heavy/power metal with dumbed-down Death and Black metal aesthetics. Strapping Young Lad isn't death metal, either, and Death was hardly genre-defining since Pestilence was the first death metal band, and even they were technically Speed Metal (as were all the other nascent death metal bands in the 80s). Who even cares if Hoglan was a death metal drummer?  That means nothing for the genre; is Dragonforce a black metal band because Li played in a black metal band?  Get real.

You simply don't know what you're talking about. Quite simply. It's just as much Death Metal as Children of Bodom is, but you probably think they're death metal, too.--24.252.55.140 (talk) 04:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Compare recent work of Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse and Deicide (death metal) to Mayhem, Immortal, Gorgoroth (black metal). You'll probably notice the difference. Kameejl (Talk) 23:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there a citation that explicitly states that Dethklok is actually a death metal band? While I am not arguing that they are not, Wikipedia's policies (WP:Cite, WP:OR, WP:A) dictate that there need to be some sport of official citation. -- ShadowJester07 ► Talk 23:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * www.popmatters.com "A big reason is the increasingly irrefutable fact that death metal could not be bigger right now. Bands like the Black Dahlia Murder, Job For a Cowboy, Behemoth, and the Red Chord have attracted the attention of young audiences looking for something a bit more aggressive than the increasingly played out metalcore style.


 * So as the kids have become more preoccupied with blastbeats, guttural death growls, and crushing, churning riffs instead of a fey scenester screaming one second and whining the next, Metalocalypse brilliantly draws in all those death-hungry listeners with its metal-lampooning comedy, ultra-violent animation, and most impressively, original music that happens to be surprisingly good. ... Singing as frontman Nathan Explosion, Small delivers a quality death growl, emitting the guttural sounds as well as anyone in death metal, and even one-upping a number of them, while managing to keep his voice legible throughout."


 * www.stylusmagazine.com "Dethklok's sound could loosely be described as melodic death metal. It's approximately 50% Amon Amarth, 40% Manowar, and 10% Cannibal Corpse. Appropriately, these bands are themselves cartoonish. Amon Amarth play Viking-themed melodic death metal; Manowar wear loincloths and, backed by symphonies and choirs, sing bombastic songs about metal; Cannibal Corpse are synonymous with gore-oriented death metal. Debuting at #21 on the Billboard 200 with first week sales of 33,740, Dethklok's real life album, The Dethalbum, is the highest charting death metal' record ever. "


 * allmusic.com "Described as "the world's greatest cultural force," the virtual death metal band Dethklok star in the Adult Swim television show Metalocalypse. The Mordland-based quintet consists of vocalist Nathan "Tonto" Explosion, who uses a death metal growl even when he's not singing; lead guitarist Skwisgar Skwigelf, the fastest string slinger alive; rhythm guitarist Toki Wartooth, the second-fastest guitar player alive; bassist and Civil War memorabilia collector William Murderface; and Pickles the Drummer."
 * And there are many more sources. Kameejl (Talk) 09:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks! -- ShadowJester07 ► Talk 18:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Kill this page?
To me, this page seems unnecessary. It covers the members of the band (which is already taken care of here), and the names of songs they performed (which is already on the main one. Furthermore, it links to the Metalocalypse page, but not the Characters page, and neither page links here. Why does this page even exist? --Sakaki22 21:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, they'll have an album soon. I think it's fair to treat them like a band, and they band deserves a seperate page. Karpsm   ö   m  03:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but if we are to keep this page as the band page, should the Characters page have an entire section that is almost literally this exact page? --Sakaki22 06:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a really weird conundrum we've gotten ourselves into. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.170.106.249 (talk) 17:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I changed the Characters in Metalocalypse page to have a direction to the Dethklok page Karpsm   ö   m  04:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

In addition, I've deleted the songs section off of the Metalocalypse page (As it is big and ugly and redundant) so at least this page is becoming more unique. Although, the songs section here is still horribly big and ugly, as you don't see any other band with a section filled with songs, many of which don't even exist in the context of the show. So, defend the songs section, or I'm going to delete it. StuIsCool 05:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * about the band members and characters page, although they are almost the same page they should be separate because they are members of a band, but also starring their own show —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.37.83.224 (talk) 07:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

I think this page should atleast touch on many "true" or "elitist" metal heads shunning Dethklok in all shapes and forms. Thoughts? CHSoarer 10:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Disliking this "band" has nothing to do with being "true" or "elitist". I don't see why those two terms are always thrown in when a popular band is generally disliked, especially in this case since it's not even a real band. Metalhead0043 15:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

In all honesty, this page looks like crap. It's too long and the writer(s) don't know the difference between the show and real life. If anything there should be separate pages for each character and this page focus solely on the real band Dethklok and their real world dealings, like Brendon Small and Gene Hoglan making the album and then getting the other guys and going on tour. Basically, this page is tl;dr and really annoying. --Puska (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Changed "fictional" to "virtual"
I changed the first line to better reflect Dethklok's status as a virtual band (with all musical roles played by Brendan Small) as opposed to merely "fictional". Gorillaz is much the same concept and amazingly no-one gives their fans a ration of crap about "real" bands vs. "fake" bands. Bullzeye Complaint Dept./Contribs) 06:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I also removed the Bill Kreutzman ref from the Murderface section. People keep coming in here and adding "...is based on" or "...closely resembles" bits that can't stay. The show's made ZERO references to who the characters are supposed to represent, if anybody, and I doubt they ever will. Thus, no soap. Bullzeye Complaint Dept./Contribs) 06:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Gorillaz is actually a musical entity first and foremost, whilst Dethklok is a cartoon similar deal to Josie and the Pussycats. So although virtual band may be the more suitable label, your comparasion doesn't really hold up.  I think it's kind of ridiculous that there are two seperate pages on this anyway, The Monkees are undoubtably more significant than Metalocalypse; they had a TV show in addition to live performances, records, etc. - and eventually solo careers, spanning a much longer time period, yet all the information is in one concise article.  Whilst there's probably more written about Dethklok on Wikipedia than the sum of all the dialogue from the entire series, most of [14 year old] fan-speculation, irrelevant information derived from a single throwaway line from the show, and just total garbage. --81.178.233.111 21:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel you're wrong; Metalocalypse is, first and foremost, about the music. The cartoon aspect is merely an image, a delivery form if you will. If you'd do your homework, you'd see that the genesis of Dethklok was remarkably similar to the genesis for Gorillaz. Gorillaz is the union of a musician and a comic book writer. Dethklok is the union of a metal musician/cartoonist and a metal musician/comedy writer. In both cases, it's just a different way of presenting the music. The Monkees and Josie and the Pussycats were both a pop-TV concept, thought up by network executives, with the primary purpose of mass-market appeal and advertising dollars. Musical content was inserted when necessary, though it only served to propogate the primary purpose. While I'm not doubting the capitalist tendencies of either Dethklok or Gorillaz, I think their intentions separate them from the others. So do please do try and recognize the difference. 69.84.115.58 03:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting this idea from? Brendon Small has never said "Dethklok is about the music first" every source regarding the show that I've ever seen has purely expressed it to be a cartoon that is about metal and has metal songs, not a metal musician who created a cartoon as a vessel for his music. Dethklok does have more in common to Josie and the Pussycats, not Gorillaz. Regardless of the intentions in creating the show/band, it's a matter of what it is. Dethklok is a band from a cartoon before being a band that had a cartoon created for it. Karpsm   ö   m  05:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote to keep "virtual" as the description. "Fictional band" implies that the music doesn't really exist. KyuzoGator 16:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Nathan loves to be motivated.
How come it's not in there?
 * Because it's unnecessary to list every possible attribute of each character based on one line of non-plot critical dialogue. --81.178.233.111 21:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cite it or snuff it. If the guy can find a legitimate episode citation we should discuss it more; maybe we can work something out. Bullzeye Complaint Dept./Contribs) 03:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless it's stated in the show "Nathan loves to be motivated," then you are speculating that based on your own perceptions of the show, no matter how true it may seem to you, it is still speculation, and wikipedia is NOT for speculative statements. Karpsm   ö   m  05:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

It's in the episode "Murdering Outside the Box"

I find it funny that its stated that Nathan is always wearing black nail polish when he has none on in the band pic at the top of the page...I'm sure I could find instances of him w/o it in the show too.


 * You couldn't because it is part of his character model. On the Show he will always have black nail polish. And take a second look at the picture, he is wearing blakc nail polish.--Gmunnywhiskers (talk) 03:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Pickles is...
... Irish-American.

should it be noted that Pickles is also the only other member to have lyrics in any songs (Hatredcopter, and sort of in Deththeme)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.172.230 (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC) thats wack attack, you are way of track with that stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.63.2 (talk) 08:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Updated Song List
Song list now lists which songs will be in DethAlbum. Also, added new songs only available on DethAlbum. User:Daytonafathead 20:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * when was "Go Into The Water" released on their Myspace page? its been the same 4 songs since the beginning... does anyone have this song!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * It used to be that there'd be a new song whenever a new ep premiered. Yeah. 71.60.159.181 04:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm so glad this was finally released so now I can shut up about Hatredcopter. --Sakaki22 18:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

nordic floating s
that S that keeps jumping around in Toki and Skwisgaar's "English" seems to me to be a fairly accurate representation of how many Scandinavians actually speak English. I can't find any ref to it in Wikipedia, or on google, though. Any cunning linguists out there who have a reference? Gzuckier 20:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Skwisgaar in guitar world
Hes gonna be in guitar world magazine. says so in dethkloks myspace blog —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insaneingus (talk • contribs) 14:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nathan based upon George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher
A recent interview with the frontman of Cannibal Corpse stated that Brendon Small based the Nathan Explosion character off of George Fisher. I'll include sources when I am able to access a computer without a work firewall. 147.72.64.218 14:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently, it's in the August issue of Terrorizer magazine, which is hitting the news stands in the US soon. Here's a small excerpt from the article that I could find.
 * 'Corpsegrinder also dispelled rumours that he (and not 'Metalocalypse's musical composer and performer, co-creator Brendon Small) voiced band leader Nathan Explosion-- though he did confirm a connection between himself and the Dethklok vocalist. "Brendon and Tommy do all the voices for the band. A lot of people were asking me if I did Nathan Explosion and I was like, 'No, that's Brendon. He does awesome death vocals!' People kept telling me, 'Nathan Explosion looks like you! That's you, man!'. So I asked Brendon and he was like, 'Well yeah, we modelled him after you.' I thought that was cool, to have a cartoon modelled after me. I was like, 'Well, if you ever make a live-action movie, God damn it I'd better be in it! I am Nathan Explosion!' I will do 'Metalocalypse' for as long as it runs-- if it's on for 50 years, I'll still be doing it when I'm 80-something. That would be awesome."' RogueA 19:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The band's locality
This article says that Dethklok is from the U.S. but on [|http://dethalbum.com] they're called a "norwegian band." Should we change it? Please discuss. User:Evilmick66 15:35, 28 Sept. '07 (UTC)
 * they're half american, half norwegian.User:Dezzrek —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They are an american/nordic band, But in the myspace they say that Mordhouse is in U.S.A.

Let the Dying Begin
It says in the article in the songs section that "Laser Cannon Deth Sentence" aka "Let the Dying Begin" was "Available as a clip featured on The Dethalbum Deluxe Edition". It is not on the Dethalbum deluxe edition, unless they meant the clip that's on the episode on the second disc. I think it should be removed, because it was never actually released, people just get it by recording and cutting audio from the episode. And we should decide on either "Laser Cannon Deth Sentence" or "Let the Dying Begin". I say the latter, as it is actually a quote from the show, and they gave no official title that I remember. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.132.180 (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I re-watched the episode, and it so happens that "Laser Cannon Deth Sentnce" is also a quote from the song. My bad. I like "Let the Dying Begin" better though. :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.132.180 (talk) 05:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Virtual Band or Fictional Band?
This seems to be a point of contention and we ought to make some progress on it. I vote to call Dethklok a "virtual" band simply because "fictional" implies that the band and its music are not real. In my mind, a "fictional" band is one that is simply mentioned in a work of fiction, however Dethklok has released a real album of real music and "they" are about to go on a real tour. Regardless of whether the characters are real, the music certainly is. KyuzoGator 14:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, fictional bands are just that, purely fictional. Dethklok is like Gorillaz in they are virtual performers backed by actual musicians. --Tucats 19:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Detharmonic influences
Next to Detharmonic it says "Possibly influenced by Metallica's 1999 performance of For Whom the Bell Tolls with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra." I don't think this is accurate, It seems more to be a refrence to the Symphonic Metal genre in general. If it was influneced by the forementioned Metallica performance, then it would probably be influenced by the entire S$M album from Metallica rather than just one song. Change this?
 * I agree, "possibly" is a word that rarely belongs in a Wiki article. KyuzoGator 19:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

"Murmaider (Muzak version)" in "Dethvengence"????????
Under Songs performed by other artists or bands someone has put that the muzak that you hear repeatably  in the episode "Dethvengence" as a muzak version of Murmaider; which after watching the episode several times over i still don't see the similarity of the song that plays while they're in the elevator to Murmaider whether its supposed to be a muzak version or not. So, do we leave this or remove it?? Dethfan216 —Preceding comment was added at 23:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

extreme metal
Is it really nessisary to have extreme metal listed as one of Dethklok's genre's? It's not even a real genre, it's an umbrella term for a group of metal genres. I think it should be deleted.--DEZZREK 16:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Genre
Is their genre clearly melodic death metal? Especially on earlier episodes they had songs that showed elements of viking metal and black metal. They do remain mostly melodeath, though. Mostly because of Nathan's vocals. I find it funny they wear corpsepaint when thats the trademark of black metal groups. Navnløs 21:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

They may have shown some elements of viking and black metal, but not enough to be one of genres. I think that melodeath and death metal is all we need.--DEZZREK 23:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dezzrek (talk • contribs)

The begining of the article states they're black metal. That needs to be corrected.

Murderface
i hate this phrase about murderface "His depression is comparable to that of Strong Sad's or Eeyore." but i dont really know what to do with it, any suggestions?Ragingbullfrog (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Find other examples of people with similar personalities.--Gmunnywhiskers (talk) 03:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Resemblances -- either sourced or OR.
Why are so many contributors adding WP:OR about the characters' resemblances to real-life figures in metal? Pickles probably is a parody of Axl Rose, but unless you can cite a source that says the resemblance is intentional, it's just speculation/opinion, and even a widely held opinion doesn't belong here. The most justifiable comparison is between Nathan and George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher*, as someone above actually has a quote on the subject -- but even this is disputed, by whomever decided to add Peter Steele.

There are pictures of the characters on the page, so I'm sure readers can come to their own conclusions about whether or not Skwisgaar bears a resemblance to to Alexi Laiho. Please stop adding unsourced resemblances! ShaneCarey (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

(* Actually, the most justifiable is Toki to Mikael Akerfeldt, because it's sourced, so I overlooked that one in my original rant. ShaneCarey (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC))

Comedy rock
I think that comedy rock should be listed in the genres, the lyrics are pretty nonsensical and mocking of rock. BobHiggs (talk) 02:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

But the thing is they're not rock (comedy metal?) but it could be mentioned in the article. --CircafuciX (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

About Toki...
Yes, he's totally hot. But I heard, I think from their Myspace, that Toki was based on Varg Vikernes, especially since he's Norwegian. If you look at a picture, he looks just like him; same beard and everything. I think that who the band members are based on should be included in the article. I'm also wondering about Skwisgaar. My friend and I were thinking that maybe he was based on Alexi Laiho, because Alexi is short (parody on "taller than a tree"), Finnish (parody on the rivalry between Finland and Sweden), and looks just like Skwisgaar. ForestAngel (talk) 08:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

And how exactly would this fit into the article?

Do any of you people pay attention to Wikipedia rules and regulations? This is all called SPECULATION. None of this has any factual backing, therefore, none of it belongs on Wikipedia. Karpsm  ö   m  07:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)