Talk:Deutsche Reichspartei

'''There is open debate on rather facism is rightwing or not. People like F. A. Hayek, as well as many others state that these parties are state controled collectivists, and therefore leftwing.' -- posted by user:68.57.33.91, moved to talk by Ferkelparade &pi; 10:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC) ''

Even Hayek considered fascism "right-wing" (in "road to serfdom", he call of "left-wing socialism" and "right-wing socialism", i.e., fascism)

Saying that fascists "are state controled collectivists, and therefore leftwing" is a non-sequitor: in mainland Europe (at least, before, WWII), conservatives were collectivists - it was the conservative Louis de Bonald who wrote "It were not the individuals who make society, it is the society who makes the individuals", not any leftist. During many time, the appology of the "free-market" was a trait of centre-left parties, like British Liberals and French Radicals.

The main tenets of the "right-wing" are: antropological pessimism; anti-egalitarianism; and historical non-determinism. Fascism matches all these criteria (or, at least, don't oppose any)--194.65.151.249 13:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hayek did not use those terms; you did. He stated that Hitler and the Nazis were left wing, he opposed so-called modern conservatives, because he said they were not conservatives at all, but collectivists and therfore leftwing.


 * That was a sociological statement not his view of politics. You twisted that statement. I doubt he was a collectivist. If Louis de Bonald did believe that politically, then he was a leftist. Conservatives of that time might not mean the same thing as conservatives today, but the definiton of leftwing and socialism hasn't changed.


 * Conservatives then were against the free market and individualist policies, because that took power from the aristocrats. Free marketers then were not leftists, they were rightists because they were for less state control on the economy and individualist freedoms.


 * Your last statement is ludicris. Even as a centrist, I take offense to such biased rubish. To say that: antropological pessimism; anti-egalitarianism; and historical non-determinism are rightwing policies is non-sense. (Neutral nobody 15:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC))


 * I removed the POV banner because it's rather silly to claim that calling a party right-wing is POV. Even the German Empire Party's predecessor called itself right-wing (German Right Party, Deutsche Rechtspartei). You can debate Hayek until you're blue in the face, but the normal (i.e. NPOV) understanding is that fascism is right-wing. --metzerly 18:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Contrary to the musing of Dr. Hayek (which, as noted above, are actually somewhat ambiguous), there is nothing innately left-wing about collectivism and/or socialism. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 12:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Naming
The party seems to be most often referred to with its German name in English. When the name is translated German Reich Party is more commen than German Empire Party. On that reasoning I'm going to move the article to the German name. Additionally I think 'Empire' is rather misleading since it has a very different set of connotations than 'Reich' does. Haukur 21:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. It's an example of naive (and misleading) translation. Norvo (talk) 23:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Adolf von Thadden?
This article claims Adolf von Thadden was one of the party's founders. The party was founded in 1950, but according to the von Thadden article, he was executed by the Nazis in 1944. Different guy with the same name (his son?), or what? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 12:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's it. His father, also named Adolf von Thadden, was a German nobleman who was indeed killed by the Nazis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NsMn (talk • contribs) 17:37, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? I only know about his sister Elisabeth MarcoLitz (talk) 19:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistency in Dates
According to this article as it currently reads, the Socialist Reich Party split from Deutsche Reichspartei in 1949, while the latter was not formed until 1950. There is obviously something wrong here but I don't know enough about the topic to correct this. 97.113.149.96 (talk) 09:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Upon reading the articles Socialist Reich Party and Deutsche Rechtspartei, my confusion seems to be answered:

(from the latter article)

In the 1949 federal elections to the first Bundestag, the party captured five seats,[1] among the deputies was also Fritz Rössler (alias Dr. Franz Richter), who soon became notorious for his radical attitudes.

'''Despite this success, the DRP was also weakened that same year when the Socialist Reich Party (Sozialistische Reichspartei, SRP) was formed and a number of members around Otto Ernst Remer and Gerhard Krüger left to join the more openly neo-Nazi party.[3] Within the Bundestag, the DRP began to work closely with a number of more minor groups on the far-right, such as the National Democrats (a minor group that should not be confused with the later National Democratic Party of Germany). Between 1950 and 1951, the remaining DRP MPs around Fritz Rössler sought to merge with these groups in order to form a larger grouping, which resulted in the creation of the German Empire Party (Deutsche Reichspartei).'''

Based on this information I have edited the offending section. Again, I don't really know anything about this topic and am basing my revision strictly off of the above-quoted section, so if there are inaccuracies I apologize.97.113.149.96 (talk) 09:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)