Talk:Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening/Archive 1

Devil Arms
One of the main character's weapons, namely Cerberus, is a flail-like weapon consisting of three bar segments connected to a central ring and is used by Dante in a manner not unlike the Japanese Nunchaku. I believe the Cerberus weapon to be of Chinese origin, modified to fit the icy persona of the Cerberus guardian. Can anybody name the Chinese weapon which Cerberus most closely resembles so that I may replace the tentative title of "flail"? --ThatNateGuy 03:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I always thought that the type of weapon Cerberus was in this game were called "Sunchaku", however, after doing a Google search and only coming up with fewer than 20 hits, all of which were rather vague on what it actually meant, and after not finding a Wikipedia or Dictionary.com entry, I'm not sure on the validity of that statement. Anyone want to validate what exactly "Sunchaku" are? --ChewyLSB 23:18, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Sanchaku
The term 'sanchaku' was coined by Capcom, and denotes a nunchaku with three rods.


 * I'm not sure I'd call it coining so much as an obvious extension. Actually... A 三節棍 (sanchaku) is generally called a three-section staff in English. It consists of three rods linked in sequence, unlike the Cerberus. By the way, where does Capcom call it a sanchaku? I've been looking around a bit, and even the Japanese wiki describes it as "a form of nunchaku consisting of 3 rods joined by chains to a central ring". The thing is, the word "ヌンチャク" has kind of drifted from its roots, and I'm not sure how many native Japanese speakers would think of it in terms of the various applicable kanji compounds, probably because the pronunciation "nunchaku" came from China. -- Rablari Dash 08:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition
As stated within the "Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening" article, there will be a "Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition" released. So, interested to see what Wikipedia had documented on the upcoming game, I conducted a search to find a "Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition" article on Wikipedia. To much dismay, I found that there was no article for "Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition". I found this a bit odd, so if there is an article, I would like to be notified. If not, I have quite a few bits of information that I have gathered from the Internet, so i couldhelp make the article by contriduting all that i know. I would make the article myself, but due to my 'noob-ness', if you will, to Wikipedia, I could never make my article as professional or 'link enriched' as others.

There probably wont be an another article. The editors will add a subsection here detailing the changes in the Special edition. We dont make articles for expanded editions. Unless of course the added content is large (Like Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence). -- Psi edit 20:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The added content is more than large. 1. Whole playable storyline just for virgil a. A arsonal just for him i. The Yammato ii. Beowulf iii. The Force Edge (Dante's starting sword in Devil May Cry 1 *Sparda's sword*) iv. The Shadow Blades, makeing their return right from the 3rd version of Nelo Angelo's arsonal b. And we shantent pass over "Dark Slayer", Virgil's own personal style 2. Addition of the "Very Hard" difficulty setting 3. The addition and return of the "Bloody Palace" mode, which 1st made it's debute in Devil May Cry 2 4. And the expansion of Jester's role from just a collection of cut-scenes to a da-da-da! a Boss! 5. The new yellow orb system! A very long awaited adition. a. due to the lack of access within the my high school's internet access, I cannot draw the official information, but I know that there will be the regular yellow orbs and there will be an excruciatingly more expensive "universal" orb (not the real name, i am just reaching for names) that alters where you start (again, my access is limited, so some searching for accurate and dependable infomation)

There might be a few more additions that i most likely forgotten (short-term memory), but i am not quite sure. Also, the names here of some things might not be correct due to my error. but this information is accessable from the Playstation Underground official website (if you start at the home page, go to the top, click "Games", then scroll down very little and look to the left side for "Message Boards". Scroll down there and you will find a Devil May Cry fourm. Just look in there for the special edition thred in red.)

Ok not to be rude but.

Why dont you add this info yourself to this article. But first please learn some Wiki editing techniques (your message is annoying to read). And after every message on a discussion page sign your message with four ~. this marks your name. Psi edit 04:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

i am deeply sorry. as i look back at the info now, i guess i do have enough to make an article, even if it is a stub. i will take your advice and i will try to learn some editing techniques. p.s. i had no idea about the 4 ~. thanks for telling me. OmniAngel 15:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Citation Needed
I,Mr_Smashnbash,was the one to add the information about a possible release of the Special Edition (PS2 version)in Europe. I will quite happily release the email Capcom sent me which will validate my claim.

--Mr Smashnbash 11:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

So,here it is. The email I was sent back from capcom;

From : Feedback 

Sent : 15 February 2006 14:31:30 Subject : RE: 3 Special Edition It is possible that the Special Edition might be released in Europe, but there are no firm plans to do it at this time. The reasons for this are confidential.

Best regards, Capcom

www.capcom-europe.com

Talk about Capcom games on the Capcom Forum:

http://forum.capcom-europe.com/index.php

Hopefully this is enough, if not then email capcom yourself and you can wait two months(possibly more) for a reply. --Mr Smashnbash 13:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

how much was the game when it first came out ?
how much did it cost

Edit :50 $ now it 20 $ edit by --Ratchetcomand 13:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Edits
Did some grammatical work. Yay English!

Castlevania 'similarities'
Most similarities are vague at best, and do not originate with SoTN (Cerberus, half humans, white haired protagonists...none of this is fresh). Lament of Innocence was just as similar to dozens of other 3rd person action games, and not DMC in general (which while a good game, did not actually invent the genre, as so many revisionist historians like to make out). I'd say delete it outright, but let's get some more opinions on this. And please, no raging fanboyisms from people firmly entrenched in either camp. ReignInTiki 04:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Devil may cry 3 on the Xbox360
Devil may cry 3 is now on the Xbox360 now so delated it.

Sorce :http://www.pixelgamers.com/xbox360/news/1000628/35/ps3-exclusive-devil-may-cry-no-more.html.nn


 * Not quite, DMC 4 will be available for Xbox 360, DMC 3 has already been released and is available only on PC and PS2.* - butterknife

I also forget to say Devil may cry 3 specail edtion for the PS2 will come later this year for U.K

September will be a good month.

http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchtype=PS2&searchstring=Devil+may+cry+3&page=search&pa=search

--Ratchetcomand 13:53, May 20 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't somebody edit in Rockstar Games as being the publishers of the Xbox 360 version? Vgamer101 20:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry bout that some Gamespot tell me that Rockstar is the publisher of the 360 version. I soun't listen to them again. Good thing i left Gamespot/Gamefaqs.

--Ratchetcomand 13:53, May 24 2006 (UTC)

Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition on PC
May 23 is the official date, right? I'm just asking since Capcom has, as of late, been pushing back the release date(s) of the PC version of Resident Evil 4 repeatedly, so I didn't know if they have done it with DMC3:DASE as well. Also, somebody should edit in that Ubisoft is going to be publishing the game on the PC. Vgamer101 20:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hellsing?
The Hellsing article states that Alucard could be a possible inspiration for Dante, since both wear red, use custom handguns and have dark powers that they use against evil. Should we also mention that in this article? --Warp L. Obscura 13:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup?
What the hell for? Removed for reasons of insanity. This article is just fiiiiine. --NaOH 06:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Relativity
What relevance does the link to Relativity (M.C. Escher) have to the article? If there is, please state it. If not, please remove. --Warp L. Obscura 13:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

DMC 3:SE release in Europe on PS2
The GAME website has Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition listed for a pre-order on September 29th of this year.See link-http://www.game.co.uk/search.aspx

I believe this should be added to the list of release dates on the main article page.--5starsuplex 16:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Pages
Why are some pages about Devil May Cry series missing and the url redirecting to the games´ pages even when there are no in-deep information? Like Jester´s one? Is there a group rebuilding articles for Devil May Cry category? Thanks. Cris Spiegel 22:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Temen-ni-gru merge to this article.
Sorry, but currently the Temen-ni-gru article is not an article on the tower itself and is instead a guide to the enemies within. The useful information on the article should be merged here and the rest either transwikied to the proper source or simply deleted. Wikipedia is not a game guide, afterall.

I'd go ahead and do this myself except for two things.

1) Currently I'm working on improving the Devil May Cry 2 article and after that I intend to help out with the Characters in Devil May Cry article.

2) This article, unlike the DMC2 article, appears to be actively maintained and someone here might get around to this before I do.

Thoughts?

Cheers, Lankybugger 05:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And it's done. I've also wikignomed all the redirects so that the only items which link Temen-ni-gru or Temen-Ni-Gru are talk pages. Cheers, Lankybugger 16:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Styles and Ranking sections are pure fancruft
Seriously, do we need to list every move and attack with every weapon and what not? This isn't GameFAQs. Also, the Stylish Points listing, aside from being uneccessary, isn't sourced. It's fancruft and OR. I'm going to cut it down so it just describes the system, lists the styles, and we can let 'em go to GameFAQs if they want to know the names of techniques. --Boradis 20:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia kaput
I just wiped out the trivia section, per the guidelines at WikiProject Trivia Cleanup. Here's what I did with the content that was there; added the Music subsection for the bit on the game's music (relevent and interesting), moved the names of his guitars seen in the office to the Dante (Devil May Cry) page, and eliminated the rest as either redundant, OR, or speculation. --Boradis 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice job, Boradis. Cheers, Lankybugger 22:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

DMC3 manga
Does anyone have any solid info on the canonicity to the game continuity of the DMC3 manga? It's referenced here and on the Dante (Devil May Cry) page. Makes sense for the Dante page, since it currently covers all of his appearances, in game canon or not, but I'm not sure how it should be referenced here (though I think it should). --Boradis 00:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Given that it's a direct lead-in to the DMC3 game, I'd call it canon unless direct information from DMC4 (or possibly the Anime) contradicts it. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 03:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Big Update
I've moved all the content from the previous version around into a more organised layout (may still need some work) but got rid of the Easter Egg section, I think that's more FAQ material. Some of the gameplay sections look a little too long but it may just be because there's a few lists making it look longer.

I also merged the music section in with the overview of the gameplay because it was too small to warrant a section of it's own. The reception section I added is small at the moment but possible things to add include opinions on the difficulty etc. I think a "Setting" section would work at the top as well.

Possible sections to add: Plot, characters, setting.

Crimsonfox 21:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Should we replace the current image of with a new one depicting the Style selection menu? I believe it would be more relevant to the article. --Warp L. Obscura 12:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have anything to say about this proposed change? --Warp L. Obscura 04:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

No protest, I'll go ahead. Thank you. :D --Warp L. Obscura 09:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No protest just a little suggestion I think the tower's image can be moved to the plot section and the one of dante attacking the Enigma moved up to where that image is before adding the styles image. - 凶 20:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. --Warp L. Obscura 12:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Plot
Even Beat-them-all games like this one should have a plot section, i`m surprised that it doesn`t have one already. i`m gonna make one ASAP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zidane tribal (talk • contribs)

Who is this? If you are on the task force it would be nice to know who this is and how you going to do the plot. However yes it does need a plot and we hope it is a good plot or we may have to edit it into a great plot for Wikipedia. Heat P 17:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Plot section has been started. Feel free to fill up and improve. --Warp L. Obscura 13:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe paragraphing should be one paragraph per Mission and that is what I am doing now. Does anyone have any objections to that? Also, there is a concern about "optional" events I would like to raise. What do we do about the optional events like the extra Jester fights, the acquisition of Spiral...? Also, enemy introductions should follow their "official" entry via cutscene, yes or no? --Warp L. Obscura 10:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the Devil May Cry and Devil May Cry 2 pages for ideas about how long the plot summary should be. Currently it would appear that 500-600 words is the sweet spot as far as plot summaries are concerned, striking a good balance between detail and length. Just reviewing the current plot summary...
 * You may as well mention the character names right off the bat. There's little point in describing Lady as "the female biker".
 * Minor enemies don't need to be mentioned at all. There's really no point in mentioning Vanguard Demons, Enigmas, etc. They're not relevant to the actual plot of the game.
 * Just like minor enemies, puzzles don't really bear mentioning unless they're relevant to the plot of the story somehow. Most of the fetch quests are just there to add length to the game.
 * Likewise major enemies can be summarized briefly, and minor confrontations should be concise. Rather than this:
 * "Cutting through them, he reaches the base of Temen-ni-Gru, where he fights the three-headed hellhound Cerberus. After vanquishing it, he gains its soul in the form of a three-sectioned nunchaku-like weapon. A female biker arrives and fires a rocket at Dante, who "surfs" on it, leaping off before it crashes into the ceiling and detonates. The biker rides off, ignoring Dante."
 * you might consider this:
 * "After defeating Cerberus and gaining a new weapon, Lady briefly attacks Dante with Kalina Ann before riding past Dante into the tower."
 * Just a few thoughts, take them as you like. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 14:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've done a total rewrite of the plot, keeping it as tight as I could on a first draft by dealing only with story-important events and skimming as briefly as possible over the fight-fight-fight-boss-repeat sections. I'm still trying to tighten it, but I think this is much closer to the Wikipedia ideal, keeps the focus on the plot rather than gameplay, and dispenses with the fancruft. --Boradis 22:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Fantastic job, Boradis. Concise, yet deals with the plot in a suitable manner. Sourcing for this portion is good, as is the prose. I noticed a couple sentences which could be trimmed down, but overall this is a very good plot summary. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 13:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very, very much! One thought, though, on changing the parenthesized (if that's a word) first mentions of Arkham and Lady to just wikilinks. If a reader doesn't follow the wikilink, they will be confused a few sentences later by mentions of this Arkham person. We can't assume the reader will follow the links or even mouse over them, and it should make sense when read on its own. So I think the names should go back in at those points in some form. --Boradis 03:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going to change this because it looks just awkward this way. --Boradis 22:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Considerations
Some quick things that applied to the previous games, and since basically the same people did this, have appeared:
 * "The game serves as a prequel to Devil May Cry and is currently the first game in the Devil May Cry series chronological order." awkward second part of that sentence. you could say first game to take place chronologically in the DMC series or something like that instead.
 * Shift some of the pictures to the right. It makes it look less staid and more flowing with the text.
 * minor thing for authors in refs: usually we put it with last nae first, so I would put author=Fuchs, David.
 * maybe expand gameplay a little to provide more of an introduction. I know that its shorter on these articles, but see if you can do anything.
 * run through for copy-editing. Most of the issues I see are run on sentences, such as "Devil May Cry 3 features a style-based gameplay system with multiple armaments to provide a wide range of different combinations of weapons and styles for the player to use. "

When you've gone through these, leave me a note on my talk page and I'll check. Dåvid Fuchs ( talk / frog blast the vent core! ) 13:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, the grammar, etc looks passable now. Good job, I'll make it GA! Dåvid Fuchs ( talk / frog blast the vent core! ) 15:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Source book
Was the source book listed in the article a Japan-only product? I'm fairly certain it didn't come out here in the U.S., but did any other regions get it? Either way, we should make that point clear. --Boradis 05:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No as far as I know. I think that is mentioned it does say it's region two only, but it can be clarified. - 凶 02:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Images
Do we need any more images for the article, or are they adequate? I was thinking of adding an image of the "Jackpot!" scene. --Warp L. Obscura 14:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there any reason to do so besides being decorative/illustrative? It's definitely a cool image, but images need to be informative. The only purpose I can think of for having a picture of the brothers would be to illustrate their dysfunctional relationship, rather than the three minutes or so they spent as partners. --Boradis 21:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Gameplay image here has the same issue as the one that was on the DMC page -- a promotional image with no HUD. Anyone got one with the HUD? Thanks. --Boradis 07:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There was this one... [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|thumb|left|180px|Dante battles a group of demons in [[Devil May Cry 3]]]] ... but it got removed from the page by DDF in this revision. Something about duplication with the series page. Not an issue, actually, considering that many other images are shared across articles. --Warp L. Obscura 11:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. I wish it was color-corrected a bit, it's kinda washed out. My computer with Photoshop is on the fritz right now, but I'd just try running "auto levels" on it and that should get the contrast/brightness decently adjusted. --Boradis 11:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Regrettably, that was the original state of matters in the video. I uploaded it with no modifications from the frame-grab made. --Warp L. Obscura 14:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Viewing the larger size, I'm not sure about that image. I still play the game constantly and I have no idea what's going on in that shot. I can't see Dante through all the sand from the exploding enemies, and there's no way to tell what he's doing. I say we get a different image where it's obvious what's happening. --Boradis 21:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Cutscenes
Even though the trivia section has been cleaned up in the main article a mention can be made to the cutscenes. They use motion capture extensively and the starting cutscene of each level contains the level number hidden in it. Anirudhtara 06:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Many game's cutscenes are made these days with motion-capture, so unless there's a cite out there that said DMC3 used an unusual amount or did it in an unusual way, I don't think it's notable. And the level numbers in the scenes is a non-notable easter-egg. At least in my opinion. --Boradis 19:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)