Talk:Devin Townsend/Archive 1

Narrative
I think this page could be much better and more authoritative. I also think it could address some of the lore surround Devin (ie. the post-Infinity hospital stay, etc.) and be more informative regarding production techniques. Compared to other wiki-pages, this one sounds less professional. Let's try to take it in that direction.Gurp13|Talk 20:56, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, don't be shy! This is what wikipedia is about! MikeCapone 17:01, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Right, then! I've added a few paragraphs.  As you can see, I'm trying to give people a feel for what makes Devin Townsend such an amazing artist.  I'm not a muscian so I am mostly speaking as an educated fan.  Maybe some musicians can refine the language, better explain the processes and even comment on Devin's musical prowess and songwriting.  I think some future additions could focus on describing the albums in detail, as objectively as possible, maybe commenting on themes or styles.Gurp13|Talk 23:25, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This article has the feel of a promo piece that has gone through a somewhat superifical wikization. Ex) original sentence "Devin Townsend is Jesus reincarnate." article sentence "Many people believe Devin Townsend to be Jesus reincarnate."


 * Agreed. I would make a edits myself, but I'm a fan so I think my bias could potentially show through. --Burbster 13:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if you have the time please make some edits... The page is already a bit biased, if you make edits and try to be neutral you could probably only improve it. And if you write stuff that is too biased, somebody will change it probably anyway. --Mighty Jay 10:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But... but Devin Townsend is the prophet of a new day! D: ...Kidding. 216.68.209.189 07:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)dethtoll


 * I think it's really hard to cite valid references, since music press is even more biased than wikipedia users. I don't see anything wrong in citing opinions widely accepted by Devin's fanbase... --201.223.62.171 01:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Opinions about Devin are not encyclopic factual knowledge... I guess that's why there are different words for opinions and facts. :) Waffle247 15:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Is the lead not too long? the first and last paragraphs i think are great, but the middle two go into too much detail?..Yellowxander (talk) 22:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine overall. It gives a brief history of his musical career, without being too detailed. Maybe a bit of the third paragraph could be removed (like the info on when all the DTP albums were released and the tours), and the rest combined with the second paragraph? But overall, it doesn't seem too long or too detailed. However, if you have any specific suggestions, please feel free to make them here, or be bold and make some changes to the lead yourself! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * well, i just thought that some of the specifics were a bit too in depth, stuff that could be left for the main article rather than repeating unimportant info. I'll not fiddle though ;) Yellowxander (talk) 21:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Discography
Do we really need to keep adding/removing the Devin Townsend Band albums Accelerated Evolution and Synchestra here? The DTB has it's own page, and these 2 albums should remain there. The SYL albums aren't included, so I think these albums should stay in the realm of Dev's "other" band...and keep his individual projects here exclusively. ComaDivine 11:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that there should be some distinction between what Devin has done as a "solo" album and the stuff he did with the DTB. But I don't know if we should remove it from this page (and link to the DTB page), or perhaps the discography can be rearranged to either include SYL stuff, of have a better distinction between DTB stuff and Devin only stuff... I'm not really sure myself what the best option would be... The DTB did evolve from his solo stuff... but then again, the DTB is a rather permanent band, so I'm not really sure myself. --Mighty Jay 17:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should remove it as DTB has its own page, but doesn't have a true discogrophy, we should try to divorce the work by the Band from the work by the Man. Atechi 19:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this why DTB members are not mentioned here? I'm in for removing. Quibus 20:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe that we should keep the Devin Townsend Band albums in, but give them their own section, similar to how SYL has their own section on Devy's page. I'm in for keeping, but relocating it to its own section on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.186.99 (talk) 18:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

New Album?
As awesome as that would be, where are your sources? The official message boards have no forums. Please provide a reference that could be clicked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.186.99 (talk) 05:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The official forums are private and Townsend does indeed update everyone personally through them. Of course because they are private, not much gets seeped out to sites like Blabbermouth. —Vanishdoom (talk) 06:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added citations all the posts in the Ki section. The forums require registration for viewing. —Heavyboat (Talk) 00:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although they're the only sources available for information on the new album I don't know if they qualify for usage based on having to be a registered user, not to mention they're posted via a message board (despite being from Townsend himself). The unsourced information may have to be removed entirely if you're looking for a credible article that follows standards. —Vanishdoom (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Why would having to register disqualify a source? Nowhere does it say that sources have to be easily accessible, just that they have to be accessible. Many articles use obscure journals and books that would be far more difficult to acquire; just look at yesterday's featured article.


 * That said, a message board post is not a reliable secondary source, but primary sources are acceptible in limited circumstances. It's not great but it's better than nothing. As long as the article clearly identifies the origin of the information and does not do any interpretation, I think it's acceptable. —Heavyboat (Talk) 06:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess you've done your research haha. I've never been too knowledgeable with sources (hence why I never brought the Townsend article up to speed myself) but yeah that all sounds good. It's a shame that the old farbeyondmetal fansite was taken down a while back because it was one of the only Townsend related sites that carried a lot of vital information outside of HDR itself. —Vanishdoom (talk) 06:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Cooked on Phonics: solo album or Punky Bruster album?
User:WWEJobber has moved Cooked on Phonics to Punky Brüster – Cooked on Phonics. I'm wondering what other people think of this? Is it a solo album, or an album by the one-off band Punky Bruster? I'm leaning towards the Punky Bruster side, but I figured it's worth bringing up here and everyone can come to a consensus. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In Devin Townsend's official website it is stated as a solo album.WWEJobber (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not thrilled about it, but I won't argue. It's really "outside" his discography, since it's a joke and stylistically unrelated to the rest of his albums. I mean, Strapping Young Lad - Heavy As a Really Heavy Thing was a goofy solo album by a fake band too (even if it later turned into a real band). Ocean Machine was the real debut of the "Devin Townsend" discography.


 * But if his website lists it, I guess it counts. He used to include the songs in his set and everything (and it had a distribution deal, unlike The Hummer and Devlab which are barely albums at all). That said, people should really get consensus before doing things like that. —Gendralman (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There is the fact that Townsend founded his own independent record label, HevyDevy Records, to release his solo albums, too, and Punky Brüster – Cooked on Phonics was the first one to be released by it.WWEJobber (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The picture
Why was this removed?, i think its neccasery for someone of devins more unique aperamce to have a picture with there article, if anyone with any actual ability with wikis could replace it i would be thankful :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Borderline26 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC).


 * The image was removed because it did not contain a valid license. For more info on this check this (that's from the guy who deleted it). --Mighty Jay 09:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a new image taken from Flickr. This was one of the only images I could find that is freely licensed, but I think it shows Devin in a typical way. --Mighty Jay 20:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The image could not be used in commercial use, so it was deleted from the commons. Does anybody have a nice image that can be freely released? --Mighty Jay 13:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I uploaded the standard marketing image of Devin - needs tidying up a bit still but I got no time to spare. Waffle247 14:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have replaced the image with a new one (For this article only). I think it better suits the article, and it is a more up-to-date image of Mr. Townsend. Webmaster G 14:40, 23 November 2008

The current image of Devin is WAY too old. If someone could provide a new one, with the right copyright info it would be great =) I raised this on Devin's official forums. It appears to be that copyright is the only problem.  -Webmaster G (Talk) 12:40, 20 April 2009 (EST)


 * I agree, the current image is from 2001. Devin has changed significantly, that includes shaving all of his hair.Qdwach (talk) 15:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Famous Relatives
Is Mr. Townsend related in any way to Birutė Galdikas? I seem to have some recollection of a connection. Hamster Sandwich 16:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If he does then it's news to me and I can't find anything about it on google but please do add it to the article if you can find good sources! Waffle247 14:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Judas Priest tribute
I moved it to the Strapping Young Lad page since they performed as a band and not Devin as a guest. Considering the duh, now actually removed it comment I made, it was to myself, since the first time I edited it I forgot to delete the section so no actual edit was made, hope no-one was offended.... Quibus 16:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The Devin Townsend Band into Devin Townsend
They are essentially the same project with slightly different names, and it doesn't seem likely that Townsend will ever reform. All info regarding Devin and DTB should be kept in the same page-- this doesn't include SYL. I will be re-writing and citing this article, and if agreed upon, I'll also be re-working the DTB info into the article as well. Vanishdoom 00:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally thing the DTB article should focus on actual releases while this article should focus on the person himself. (Always hated how articles based on people in bands would either focus on one or the other too much.) 71.60.159.181 (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * DTB only released two albums and was merely an alias for Townsend, like Ocean Machine. It's extremely confusing to have two articles about the same thing, and it makes it fairly hard to maintain. —Vanishdoom (talk) 02:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * i realize that DTB is considered an actual seperate band, but it's merely a solid lineup that only released two albums of townsend's solo work. i think it's unnecessary to have another article for information that could very well be kept within townsend's main wiki, considering it all deals with his solo work. besides, the history behind DTB is fairly short and could very well be that way based on townsend's recent activity. —Vanishdoom (talk) 02:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably a good idea. I don't think there's anything that would go in the DTB article that wouldn't go in the DT article. My only concern is, would we have to include a section on the DTB line-up in the Devin Townsend article? It'd be weird to have a dedicated "Line-up" section in an article about a person. Maybe we can just include the line-up in the prose (like it is now) and in the two album articles and leave it at that. —Heavyboat (Talk) 02:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Upon a short investigation, The Devin Townsend Band article has not had a single significant edit in over a year, and it consisted mostly of plagiarized text to begin with, the vast majority of which had nothing to do with the band at all. So I just went ahead and merged it. Problem solved. —Heavyboat (Talk) 02:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * lineup changes via prose throughout the main history sounds good, with full information and whatnot can be easily found in the album articles themselves. —Vanishdoom (talk) 02:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

HevyDevy into Devin Townsend
I'm going to merge HevyDevy Records into this page. That article is never, ever going to have a single source other than the HDR website, and it has very little real information right now. —Gendralman (Talk) 08:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Perfect, no problem.--  C  anniba loki  22:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * all for it, you're good to go. —Vanishdoom (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. —Gendralman (Talk) 03:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed progressive rock label and changed simply jazz label to free jazz
I've removed progressive rock, because article already states prgoressive metal as a main genre and prog metal is altought pretty much ifluenced by prog rock in the beginning. I also added 'free jazz'-tag, because that would be more clarificating information than leaving it simply as a "jazz" as Devin draws on much more free jazz influences than jazz itself. Wintersword 22:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Influential?
In the beginning of the article is mentioned that Devin Townsend is an influential musician. I think there should be explained in the article. In what way is he more influential than most other artists? Which bands and artist have stated him as an influence? Roope (talk) 13:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I;m a solo musician and Devin is by far my absolute biggest influence. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be doing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.186.99 (talk) 18:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Production
Devin has recently produced albums for bands, such as Misery Signals and worked with Bleeding Through, Terror Syndrome, Becoming the Archetype and Cradle to Grave etc... Who else? I think these are things worth mentioning. Kuljukka (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Alien medication
Can anyone find a reliable source (either an interview or a respectable site) for Townsend not taking his medication during Alien? I'm pretty sure I read this in an interview, but all I can find are sites that are copying from this article. —Heavyboat (Talk) 22:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Found it. —Heavyboat (Talk) 23:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion nomination
Nominated Official Bootleg, Christeen plus 4 Demos, Ass-Sordid Demos, Ass-Sordid Demos II for deletion, see Articles for deletion/Devin Townsend demos if you want to comment. —Gendralman (Talk) 02:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Passion & Warfare
I've noticed that Devin isn't listed in the personnel section on the Passion and Warfare article even though he's noted as performing lead vocals on his article as well as on the article for his discography, is this a mistake or am I missing something painfully obvious here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.111.91 (talk) 22:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Devin definitely did not sing or perform on Passion and Warfare. He worked with Vai on Sex and Religion only.--Gurp13&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Gurp13&#124;Talk (talk) 13:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Anneke van Giersbergen - add to related artists
Shouldn't Anneke be added as one of Devins related artists as she featured so heavily on the Addicted album & is also going to be part of the Epicloud project.Anneke now performs under her own name so don't believe there's any need to add her old band Agua de Annique. There's also the link with Ayreon of course & she's also performed live with Devin--Scratchy7929 13:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC))
 * yupYellowxander (talk) 23:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
Have done a timeline spanning across all the bands and relelases. What do you think, good enough to include somewhere?

Yellowxander (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Casualties of Cool?
So, can anyone tell me why the Casualties of Cool page now redirects here, just as we'll be starting to get more information on it from Devin? Seems like the exact wrong time to do something like that.
 * The edit summary given says "not notable per WP:NALBUMS". My best guess is that this album doesn't fulfill this criteria: "generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label".
 * Also, please sign your talk page posts by typing ~ after your post. Thanks. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Grindcore?
I know Devin has been involved in quite a number of genres, including many forms of extreme metal. But when has he done a project in grindcore?
 * He is involved in Bent Sea, a grindcore band. Nevertheless, I don't think we shouldn't really list every single genre he has involved in, considering his versatility. The infobox is currently flooded with genres; these should be reduced down to most general ones. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I support that. One-off genres like grindcore don't really apply to Townsend's overall styles; we might include "extreme metal" to cover a wide variety of styles (including grindcore) that he has performed. Does anyone have a suggested list? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not a Devin Townsend expert, but considering the Wikipedia and Allmusic article, I can suggest extreme metal, progressive metal, progressive rock and ambient. Notably, Strapping Young Lad is described as industrial metal, so I think we can maybe add it. It'd also really be helpful to have some other sources for genres. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 13:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Reduce infobox genres
Template:Infobox musical artist recommends to use 2-4 general genres in the infobox. Right now the infobox uses 11. I suggest we reduce this to 3 or 4 (something along the lines of extreme metal, progressive rock and ambient), going into more detail on various labels in the text. Are there any downsides to this I'm not aware of?-- MA SHAUN IX 23:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just gone through with this, but feel free to revert me and explain your reasoning here.-- MA SHAUN IX 21:25, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Some assistance please
I've corrected the name of his new signature pickups at the bottom of the article, but I don't know how to cite the source. If someone more knowledgeable could do that, it would be great. http://www.fishman.com/products/series/fluence/fluencesignature-devintownsend.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.189.135.132 (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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