Talk:Devonport, Plymouth

Requested move 26 December 2014

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Devonport, Devon → Devonport, Plymouth – Per WP:UKPLACE - "For the minority of localities ... when unambiguously in a town/city unitary authority and the settlement itself (according to reliable, external sources) placename, town/city is used.".

In contrast to using Plymouth, "Devonport, Devon" seems both unhelpful (it ignores the Plymouth connection) and awkward (the repetition). That said, I'm not convinced that using Plymouth is right either. It now is a district of Plymouth, but its earlier history as a distinct entity was emphatically distinct from of Plymouth. Nilfanion (talk) 12:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, GregKaye ✍ ♪  02:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Given it was indeed an independent borough for most of its existence. -- Necrothesp (talk) 01:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually that's not quite right. While the actual settlement has existed since c1700, Devonport was only a borough for 77 years (1837-1914), and 52% of its existence while it was called "Devonport" has been as part of Plymouth. The article benefit from a lot more info, but that's another matter
 * Note that I'd prefer Devonport, England to Devonport, Devon - it eliminates the repetition, without losing clarity, as with eg Lincoln.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak Support. If the disambiguation is to be changed then Plymouth (which itself doesn't require disambiguation) would be an adequate disambiguator. I would strongly oppose Devonport, England for a district of a city, it's not comparable to Lincoln, and WP:UKPLACE dictates: "For the minority of localities (ie hamlets or large neighbourhoods) meeting their own article notability, see WP:UKVILLAGES, when unambiguously in a town/city unitary authority and the settlement itself (according to reliable, external sources)  placename, town/city  is used. For example, within the borough of Milton Keynes, for localities in the defined new city area placename, Milton Keynes is used, as with Bradwell, Milton Keynes." Zarcadia (talk) 20:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support but also Devonport (Plymouth) might be better. I don't know, I'd trust a Brit on how they'd like this styled. Red Slash 08:46, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, we never use the parenthetical style. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me; thanks! Red Slash 01:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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