Talk:Diabetes mellitus

Not equal to...
diabetes =/= diabetes mellitus. Alex.tan 11:29 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

wow, there's a lot of diabetes mellitus articles linking to this page. I'll start on changing them to go there. (though not all today)

does anyone use the term diabetes on its own to mean anything other than DM?

No article talking about diabetes insipidus would ever abbreviate it as just diabetes.

No doctor would ever write diabetes on a patient's notes if they were only urinating excessively (polyuria). If they did they'd get a lawsuit (or struck off the register) if there was a problem that resulted from confusion with DM. They'd tend to write IDDM or NIDDM wouldn't they?

I don't mind the page too much how it is now though, it's just inconvenient for the pages linking here. Tristanb 11:08, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Doctors tend to write DM Type I/II, NIDDM/IDDM or just DM. In my experience, doctors (including yours truly) don't tend to write down just 'diabetes' in their casenotes. I presume this is to avoid the potential confusion with diabetes insipidus.

While wikipedia should acknowledge common jargon, it should also be accurate. -- Alex.tan 13:15, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Diabetes is generally used synonymously to mean diabetes mellitus. However, the condition means literally "passing too much urine". It comes from the Greek word meaning to 'pass over' or 'cross over'. There are two forms of diabetes, namely diabetes mellitus and diabetes insipidus. By far the most common form of diabetes is diabetes mellitus. Increased amounts of urination are common to all forms of diabetes. Frequency (of urination), nocturia and thirst are other common symptoms.

If a person with diabetes is found unconscious, a very likely cause is diabetic coma which is a medical emergency.

I have added these to the diabetes hypoglycemia page but I thoguh I would also add them here. As a diabetic myself who has not suffered symtpms of hypglycemia for years except for a slightly depressed nature and inability tmo fall asleep, I think it should be noted that a loss of symptoms can occure if hypoglycemic attacks are suffered for a while.

I think that the treatment reccomended for diabetes related hypoglycemia is too low. (4-5 ounces of regular soda) As much as 300 ml or a full can and a snakck sized piece of confectionary can be required to raise a persons blood sugar level to an acceptable level.

See also:
 * Diabetes dictionary


 * http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/dictionary/

Request
Could the article be unprotected and the redirect replaced with some text to the effect of the following (Rationale follow).

Diabetes is a collection of conditions characterised by Polyuria and polydipsia

The two main types of diabetes are Diabetes Mellitus and Diabetes insipidus of the two diabetes mellitus is the most common and if the term Diabetes is used unqualified it usually refers to Diabetes Mellitus

Rationale: It doesn't seem to make sense that the Diabetes page redirects straight to Diabetes Mellitus. I know that there is a short section on insipidus in the mellitus page but it would be more logical if it were explained that Diabetes refers to a syndrome characterised by polyuria that can either be Mellitus or insipidus because the redirect can serve to reinforce the impression that Diabetes is Synonymous with diabetes mellitus. I know that it might appear to be a minor distinction but i think it is important to the educational value of Wikipedia that there be some explanation of the true meaning of the term Diabetes and could serve to provide interesting information to people that they might otherwise never discover. Also since wikipedia may sometimes be the first point of reference for many people it is important that the articles reflect the true range of conditions falling under the umbrella of diabetes.


 * I think this redirect is appropriate - if our sources indicate that common usage of 'diabetes' is synonymous with 'diabetes mellitus' we reflect that here. However, I have added a hatnote to Diabetes mellitus.  AJ  Cham  17:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I concur. It makes sense that we redirect to the most common usage. If you want to take this further you might try Redirects for discussion. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The Redr template is just a new and better way to add redirect category templates (RCATs), so the visible modification will be to add this redirect to the following categories: Redirects to technical names, Unprintworthy redirects, and Protected redirects. – Paine Ellsworth  (  C LIMAX  )  03:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Tivedshambo! – Paine Ellsworth  (  C LIMAX  )  03:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 15 November 2023
Add the R printworthy template, marking the redirect as suitable for a printed version of Wikipedia (see Printability). Cyrobyte (talk) 23:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ I've reduced the protection to ECP instead. can now edit it yourself. * Pppery * it has begun...  00:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)