Talk:Diarrhea in developing regions/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: 1ST7 (talk · contribs) 08:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, I'll review this article. Initial comments should hopefully be posted tomorrow. --1ST7 (talk) 08:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Comments from lesion

 * For now, I linked this article from Diarrhea. I note that the article has been nominated to be merged into the parent article.
 * I integrated some of the see also links into the article body, per the MEDMOS
 * Per naming conventions need to sentence case, so I renamed it Diarrhea in developing regions
 * For a medical article to be ready for a good article nomination, ideally all the sources would conform to wp:MEDRS, and this would unfortunately involve some work to remove the primary sources and if possible find secondary sources instead. Lesion  ( talk ) 12:14, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this but it overlaps with other content
This article was created an then immediately nominated for GA review. I think this review should pause pending some concerns being addressed.

This article, "Diarrhea in developing regions", seems to have been created without regard for the information which already exists in Diarrhea and Gastroenteritis. Any overlapping content should be merged to one article or the other. It might be the case that 80% of this article would overlaps with gastroenteritis, so before doing a review, this needs to sorted and either one or both articles are likely to go through major reform.

I think before reviewing much more it would be best if the author User:Jpoles1 would state why it is best to have a new article rather than develop the existing articles, and explain what difference in focus "gastroenteritis" and "diarrhea in developing regions" should have. Most of the content of this article is duplicating gastroenteritis. Health information almost certainly should go into "gastroenteritis", because that is the disease article.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   15:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Though I understand your concerns regarding the novelty of this article, User:Bluerasberry, I strongly believe that they are unfounded. Before making claims of duplication of content, I would suggest that you examine the article's contextualization of the issue. While gastroenteritis examines this class of diseases from a global perspective, it does little to inform the reader about the issue in the context of developing countries where this issue is most dire and most relevant. Even in the first few paragraphs, you will note a significant divergence in information being preesented. In developing countries, for example, data shows that the major pathogens of interest globally ("Viruses (particularly rotavirus) and the bacteria Escherichia coli and Campylobacter species are the primary causes of gastroenteritis") are different than those identified to be most active in developing nations ("The infectious agents that predominate the majority of cases in developing nations are Rotavirus, E coli, Shigella. and Cryptosporidium."). Indeed, these differences between a global approach to diarrheal disease and one focused on developing nations extend beyond pathogens of interest, to the populations most impacted, where the problem arises, and how best to develop solutions for the issue.
 * That said, the mission statement for Wikipedia "is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content and to disseminate it effectively and globally." The goal of this article is to develop a body of knowledge regarding this issue specifically in the developing world, in order to raise awareness of the issues, tackle some of the social obstacles to improving diarrheal disease healthcare in developing nations, and to start a dialog about how best to abate the devastation that this disease class wreaks on developing nations, communities and families.
 * The question of adding my content onto that of another articles has arisen before, and after lengthy discussion, it was decided that this work would stand better on its own given the current articles on the issue. While both diarrhea and gastroenteritis take a fairly medical tone and approach to the issue, this page utilizes an approach based upon sociology, economics and capabilities, which would be inappropriate and out of context for the other two articles.
 * Jpoles1 (talk) 15:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

In the future new users are always welcome to propose their projects and get feedback at WP:WikiProject Medicine. Chatting for 5 minutes can save hours of work and people can expect speedy responses there to any health article question.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   15:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Wait - User:Jpoles1 did get a lot of feedback and advice on your userpage. Jpoles1, did you read any of the advice at User talk:Jpoles1? What happened? You never responded to any of it.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   15:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I understand that someone did inquire about this issue on WTMED relatively recently: . One of the problems with having such a fast turnover before archiving of messages is that things get missed by many users. I am yet to think of a way to address this... Lesion  ( talk ) 15:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree that there is a great deal of overlap. Raised concerns when this article was proposed. It is mostly duplication of content. All the primary sources need to be removed and the rest merged. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Ping Graham
It is most unfortunate, considering the backlog at WP:GAN, that a student essay has gone from sandbox to GAN so quickly, bypassing peer review. User:GrahamColm is a Wikipedian most versed in this area, having written several FAs on poop-related topics. Please consult him, and please withdraw this from GA, as it is taking resources away from other articles better prepared and awaiting review. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I received a notification of this discussion on my phone on my home from work. I have read the article and while it is a worthy student essay, it is not encyclopaedic in tone and as well as the editorialisng there are errors. The discussion on rotavirus immediately grabbed my attention. It's about 20 years out of date and is sourced to a 1985 paper by de Zoysa and Feachem. This publication was important and influential at the time but has long been superseded. There has been major progress in prevention of rotaviral diarrhoea in the past 15 or so years, which the article completely ignores. It has also been known for some time that improved social conditions do little to control the incidence and prevalence of viral gastroenteritis and this is why the WHO, many years ago, supported vaccine development. I'm not convinced that there is much here – once it has been updated and the editorial comments removed – that is not already covered in our other articles which include Gastroenteritis, Rotavirus and Rotavirus vaccine. While I applaud the contributor's enthusiasm for a subject that has been the main thrust of my research in real life, I think the salient points of this article should be merged with Gastroenteritis if they are not already covered. I don't think this contribution is worthy of a stand alone article and certainly not a GA. Graham Colm (talk) 20:29, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with Graham. Article does not follow WP:MEDMOS. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment from reviewer
As there appears to be a dispute surrounding this article and whether or not it should be merged, and because the nominator has withdrawn it from WP:GAN, I am discontinuing this review for now. I'm sorry, and I hope everything gets sorted out. --1ST7 (talk) 01:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)