Talk:Dick Clark/Archive 1

Dallas
"On November 22, 1963 Clark was in Dallas, Texas. As President John F. Kennedy was driven by Clark's hotel room, Clark waved at the president"

will someone explain me the importance of this? Everyone who sees a president waves. Is that a important sidefact of the american culture that I don't understand? [11:31, 10 October 2005 195.68.26.2]


 * Don't know if it makes it wiki-worthy, but it was just before JFK was shot...  [05:09, 1 January 2006 Jaysuschris]

Testimonial
I've been to a freestanding Dick Clark American Bandstand Restaurant at 100 Hutchinson Ave. Columbus, Ohio. [04:44, 1 January 2006 64.148.16.99]

Jewish
Can anybody confirm this.

"Because They're Young."
Why no mention of Dick being the lead character in this 1959 "Blackboard Jungle" rework movie? Desansoucy (talk) 07:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

"He possibly..."
lol.. source?\ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir james paul (talk • contribs) 05:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

That's blatant vandalism, don't worry about it. -- Wizardman 02:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Revision
Please excuse my accidental revision. I fixed it...sorry. 2 Jan 06
 * Think nothing of it, it happens and you fixed it yourself. --Kizor 12:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Stroke was "mild" not major as stated
The news sources CBS, FOX, E!, AP, all state the stroke was mild. Wikipedia claims it was major. Appears to be a mistake. 
 * Clark's publicist said the stroke was mild at the time, but on the broadcast last night Clark himself said that the stroke "left me in bad shape", and it was clear from his speech and movements that the stroke was not mild at all.  Wasted Time R 21:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think using a viewer's subjective interpretation of Clark's statement constitues original research. The stroke could have been far, far worse, and may indeed be considered "minor" on the scale of things. So far all the citable sources we have all say "minor" so I changed it back to that. I think we need a citable source, preferably one with some medical weight, that claims it was "major" before contraverting what the other sources said. -- Ponder 21:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree on this - thanks for fixing it, Ponder! --Kizor


 * Just the fact that he was able to speak and host a show about a year after his stroke is evidence enough that it was a MINOR stroke, as reported. A major stroke often kills you, or turns you into a permanent vegetable.  At the very least, it could rob you of your ability to speak entirely for the rest of your life, or many years.  Clark's stroke was serious, to be sure, and the effects were clearly noticable.  But even a mild stroke can leave you in "bad shape."  If it were truly a major stroke, then Dec 31 2003 would have been the last we'd have seen a New Year's show with Dick Clark.

"With some minor speech ability still impaired" needs to be rewritten. Maybe "with some minor speech impairment." I'd do it myself but I don't have a source to cite. Danchall (talk) 15:16, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Second ahead due to the stroke?
I think this statement is questionable. I dont think that him having a stroke would have caused that, instead it may have been a disconnect between the studio he was in, and the live broadcast. May have been a delay, may have been because there was a second added to the year and the studio failed to update their countdown clock that he read off. I dont see any way that his stroke could have caused it... Rangeley 02:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

That's because you never had a stroke. You couldn't possibly know Mr. Clark's condition even of you tried. I've never had a stroke either, but I think he's a hero. He dealt with his problem like a man. 71.111.216.239 22:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If is actually happened (and there were plenty of wintesses) then including it should not be prohibited. However, to claim that is was caused by the stroke is making an assumption.  Just say what happened, leave out the opinions about why it may have happened.

Peabody Award
Please note that Dick Clark won a Peabody Award for his coverage of the millennium. It has been noted in the accolades. SNIyer12 16:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Dick Clark (entertainer) → Dick Clark — Dick Clark already redirects to Dick Clark (entertainer) and has for around nine months with no complaints that I've found. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Article moved to Dick Clark. enochlau (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * ''Add  * Support   or   * Oppose   on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~.


 * Support: Per my nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support: Per nom. --Serge 03:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support: Per nom. Andrewa 06:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Sorry for any time stamp confusion. Somehow I neglected to save this to WP:RM. (I usually do that first so maybe I got edit conflicted...) —Wknight94 (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oldest TV personality

 * "Dick Clark is the second oldest television personality behind Bob Barker"

This is obviously fallacious. Patrick Moore is older than both Bob Barker and Dick Clark. I've removed it. --86.142.101.229
 * No explanation necessary, IMHO, since it's a silly assertion anyway. How does one define "television personality"?  That's a good removal.  —Wknight94 (talk) 14:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

i agree with the deletion but who in the world is Patrick Mooree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.20.221.71 (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Although Clark showed notable improvement in his speech and movement, he was still several minutes off during the countdown.
'several minutes off'... during a 20 second countdown... some kind of stupid joke or was someone drunk? --LuisLJ403 07:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

So was he born in the Bronx or in Bronxville?
Bronxville is a separate place in New York from the Bronx, yet both are listed as his birthplace. Which is it? DandyDan2007 07:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Bowling for Columbine
Michael Moore's film contains a very negative and hotly critical assessment of labour polices followed by Dick Clark's American Bandstand Grill. I think we should inform the public how Clark responded to this criticism, as it has tainted the image of a relatively unmolested public figure. (207.81.164.238 18:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC))

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Restaurants
There is a Dick Clark's American Bandstand restaurant in Overland Park, KS as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.202.70.157 (talk) 04:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

His voice on the 2008 show
Anyone notice that his voice sounded weird on the 2008 countdown ; sounded kind of raspy. Also he miss the countdown again by a few seconds.Iron Valley (talk) 20:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He had a stroke that affected his speech, so yes we noticed that his voice is different than it was a few years ago. And he may have been off a second or so on the countdown. Maybe you were simply making a comment and not intending to insert this information in the article. But in case you were planning to put it in the article, extremely detailed descriptions about his voice and the countdown are not needed and are not in the style of an encyclopedia. Such comments can be found in tabloids, but have no place in Wikipedia. Ward3001 (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that the fact that this man who has been a stalwart of New Years Eve countdowns has screwed up TWICE in recent years is something that is MORE than encyclopedic. The fact that it's not in the article is an embarrassment.  &mdash;   Music  Maker  5376  15:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Try reading the article, MusicMaker5376. The fact that he had a stroke and that it affected his speech IS in the article. What isn't needed is how many fractions of a second he missed the countdown. Ward3001 (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Citations & References
See Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the  tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Maybe this has been mentioned already, but shouldn't the lead picture be more current than 1990? Is the issue we don't have more current free images?  Enigma  message Review 06:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, was about to ask the same thing, the man would certainly not look at 80 like he did at 61, 19 years ago . New Babylon 2 (talk) 11:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless its Dick Clark. ~ Rangeley ( talk ) 18:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, he kinda does look older . http://blogs.fayobserver.com/faytoz/files/2008/12/dick-clark.jpg --New Babylon 2 (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If a free image can be found, it would be a great addition to the aricle. The current image is from 20 years ago. --Coingeek (talk) 17:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

2009 Appearance?
Will he appear for the 2009 ball drop? 72.192.142.31 (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Revelation of age
I see that we no longer mention how it came to be that we knew his age after so many years, and I see no discussion of a removal here. Generally, I wouldn't think it pertinent, but "no one knows how old he is" was a major part of Clark's shtick for years, and the details of the reveal thereby seem encyclopedic to me. Is it just me? So many things are just me. --Baylink (talk) 03:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

additions regarding a live broadcast still require third-party sources
Nostaljack -

biographies of living persons are held to a higher threshold. sources are needed for all articles, but especially for living persons that discuss their health, personal life, etc. you may well have seen it, but you are not a third source (such as cnn or a newspaper). i'm sure there will be plenty of print on his appearance, at which time prose can be added with a source.

regards.--98.113.187.11 (talk) 05:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. This makes sense. Totally understandable. Thanks for setting me straight. Nostaljack (talk) 05:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So, unnamed person is asserting, just above, that citations to a primary source of a television broadcast concerning factual information from that broadcast are *not* acceptable? That doesn't conform with my understanding of primary source citations (which is that it doesn't have to be *easy* for a reader to confirm the citation, merely possible).  Could you expand on this, 98.113.187.11?  :-) --Baylink (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

New Image Needed
The current lead image is from 1990, 20 years ago, I think a newer image is needed, any thoughts? --Coingeek (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Payola scandal
Clark's ties to the payola scandal in 1959 needs to be added. He was not one of the big players, but he was investigated and was forced to sell his business interests in the recording industry. Dougdodge 19:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)dougdodge


 * Agreed, I can't believe that (by 2012) Clark's involvment in Payola has either been deleted by those wishing to whitewash this, or that no one's bothered to write it up with citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.225.205 (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a paragraph about it at the end of the "American Bandstand" section.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

fact checking
"In Episode 320 of Mystery Science Theater 3000, John Carradine - playing a mad scientist in the movie The Unearthly - is trying to get another character to consider eternal life when he says, "Suppose you could wake up every morning and see your face untouched by time.” Crow replies, "Like Dick Clark?"

The movie The Unearthly was made in 1957. John Carradine died in 1988. The series Mystery Science Theater 3000 began in 1999. Please rewrite this to explain the situation better. As it stands it makes no sense. 4.249.96.87 (talk) 11:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 April 2012
I find:

He also founded the restaurant chain, "American Bandstand Diner,"

Please change to this (changes are discussed immediately after):

He also founded the restaurant chain "American Bandstand Diner",

I removed the 1st comma because there are many restaurant chains. I put the 2nd comma OUTSIDE the quotation marks. The rest of the sentence, which I did not include here, does not change.

128.63.16.82 (talk) 16:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed the quotes altogether (I don't see any need for them), and copyedited the sentence: He also founded the American Bandstand Diner, a restaurant chain modeled after the Hard Rock Cafe.  Equazcion  ( talk )  16:07, 19 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Bad article displayed too prominently
It's in an awful state not fit for the main page. there are and there is a  on top of dick. there are entire sections with no references, example "Pyramid game shows" (three paragraphs), "Theaters" (one paragraph), "Radio programs" (four paragraphs), "Other media appearances" (four paragraphs), "Other television programs" (one reference for nine paragraphs), "Personal life" (one reference for nine paragraphs again). really shouldn't be placed so prominently on the main page of wikipedia in this condition. wouldn't happen with anyone else.
 * Actually, articles still needing improvement are regularly posted by ITN... If you have a specific suggestion for improvement, please make the suggestion.  Otherwise, do not use the edit semi-protected tag. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Recent death tag
I have removed recent death because this is not a case for its use. From the template:
 * "This article is about a person who has recently died. Some information, such as that pertaining to the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change as more facts become known."

The circumstances surrounding Dick Clark's death should be quite self evident. He was 82 years old. People who are 82 years old die. From the template documentation:
 * "This template warns our readers that the information presented in the article may not be final due to missing/unpublished/uncertain information about a recently deceased person, and that readers should therefore be cautious about the content presented. This is generally true for all of our articles, but in cases of extraordinary public attention that risk is especially high. As such, it should only be used in cases where many editors (perhaps dozens or more) are editing the article on the same day, and it should be removed as soon as the editing goes down to a normal level again. Do not use it merely to tag the article of a recently deceased person, as that would defeat the template's purpose."

No additional information has been added to the section on his death other than a statement from the president, Ryan Seacrest, and the Game Show Network. Examples of where this template's use is justified, when rumours about the cause of death may be added into the article (example, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Billy Mays). --kelapstick(bainuu) 05:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Dead??
It seems a bit premature to report the death of a major celebrity with no references and no verifiable articles in the media to back it up. Furthermore, poster is anonymous and has an overseas IP address. This data should be removed pending verification from reliable sources. Sonarrat (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * He died today.--Oldman (talk) 23:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm finding a lot of condolences online. I think that those in the industry deserve mention but every politician trying to get their name in the press should not have Wikipedia's help. Auchansa (talk) 04:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 April 2012 add link to TV's Bloopers & Practical Jokes
Before Pyramid, Clark had two brief runs as a quiz-show host, presiding over The Object Is and then Missing Links. On Missing Links, he replaced his former Philadelphia neighbor and subsequent TV's Bloopers & Practical Jokes co-host, Ed McMahon, when the game show switched networks from NBC to ABC; NBC replaced Missing Links with Jeopardy!.

Slamaina (talk) 10:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That sentence is no longer in the article, but the first mention of Bloopers has been linked. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Death
TMZ is reporting that DIck Clark has died at the age of 82 of a 'massive heart attack'. I'm still trying to get confirmation from other sources, but until we know more, I've added the 'recently died' template to the page. TheBigFish (talk) 19:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

~His agent has confirmed this claim as well.~ Edit had been made to the page stating that he was at home when he died, which I have amended. News sources have not yet specified where he was when he died (and I'm really not sure how it's relevant anyway), but implication seems to be that he was in a hospital in Los Angeles at the time of his death. TheBigFish (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Its being widely reported now, --Milowent • hasspoken 19:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

He died during outpatient procedure at a hospital.--Oldman (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

The article reads: "Clark died after suffering a heart attack following a medical procedure at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, California." ...but the unanswered question is: '''What kind of medical procedure? Was it a cardiac stress test?''' This procedure could have caused his heart attack, and knowing what kind of procedure it was is relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzzhuh (talk • contribs) 23:36, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Dick Clark 1957-Am. Band..jpg Nominated for Deletion
In the article it states that Dick Clark's second wife's name is Loretta Martin. Thats seems like a wild concidence that "Sweet Loretta Martin" is named in the Beatles song "Get Back". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 (talk) 19:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Forever Young
Prior to his stroke, Dick Clark was notable for seeming to never age. There were lots of jokes to that effect, and I believe a moniker along the lines of "America's oldest teenager". Supposedly Kathleen Turner in the film Peggy Sue Gets Married had a line referring to Clark such as, “Look at that man; he never ages." I wouldn't know how to properly source any of this, but it is really one of the most fun facts about Dick Clark, and it's a shame it's not in the article.  For people of my generation it was the one of the main things he was known for. 204.145.225.27 (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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Michael Moore confrontation
Seems like it's a very trivial moment in Clark's life (i.e. the confrontation with Michael Moore in his movie that consisted of Clark slamming a door in his face). Does it really warrant a mention in this article?Rja13ww33 (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)