Talk:Die Frau ohne Schatten

Is there no plot for the second and third act? Perhaps I will write one. Boipussi 07:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

There's some interesting material in the German language WP, which I'm translating and adapting.--Herbivore (talk) 04:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Jan 30 2008: Inclusion of "Subsequent productions" section
As nice as it might be to have some of this info, if we added as much detail as User Talk:84.101.245.137 has done, we'd have every production for years and years taking up tons of space.

Sometimes, mention of historically famous productions (e.g. Callas Tosca in London in 1964) is valuable. But this?

I'd vote to remove this section entirely. Viva-Verdi (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. It looks like advertising to me (and hasn't been very competetently done, either). --GuillaumeTell (talk) 11:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Given agreement of 2 editors to remove, shall do so now. Viva-Verdi (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Story
Like it or not, this is a big beast of the operatic stage. The first part of the article suggests inspiration in a piece by Goethe, which, if you follow it up in Wikipedia, even, apparently concludes with a fairy story which MIGHT possibly, or not, have links with Hoffmanstal's eventual libretto. But if you follow the main article instead, you get - no explanation - a completely different source. If you pursue other Wikipedia leads you get a third Scandinavian original which translates into German as Das Kalte Herz. This isn't going to satisfy Lady Bracknell, let alone - one would have thought - the least pedantic beast in the Wikipedia editorial jungle. The opera itself is coming up for a hundred years old. Could we please have a simple. consistent account of the sources?93.96.231.233 (talk) 09:35, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The opera's centenary is still 5 years away, and I can't see what de:Das kalte Herz has to do with its story, but if Del Mar says so, who am I to argue? The libretto's origins are indeed messy, just as described in the article. This article's main fault is its lack of citations; that's why it is categorised as Start-class. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:27, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Kay Kobad
There's no source for the assignment of the name to the guy from Delhi. Kay Kobad (in various spellings) is a super popular name among Persian and Persian-influenced royals, stemming from this legendary culture hero Kai Kobad so I think we need a source for which one is intended. 2605:A000:111D:41C1:818B:DB54:B460:ABBF (talk) 03:16, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * According to our colleagues at the German Wikipedia, it is indeed Kay Kawād, the one you linked to. That seems more likely than Muiz ud din Qaiqabad who is linked in the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:07, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I tried to change the article and make it right. As we know a lot of German scholars were drawn to Iranian mythology and Strauss made "thus spoke zarathustra." It is relevant to think that they used another Iranian figure like Keikobad in this opera. Dadaist13 (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Article needs help and cleanup
This article needs help. The Composition History is virtually uncited and has a giant tag on it. The lead contradicts the body text and contains statements of putative facts not in evidence. Could knowledgeable and interested folks please help clean the article up? To have an article on an opera so common in the standard repertoire in this shape on Wikipedia seems an embarrassment. Softlavender (talk) 23:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Libretto and synopses
I'm linking some synopses and copies of the libretto below, because this wiki article's synopsis is (in my opinion) still an inaccurate and rather confusing mess.
 * https://www.sfopera.com/operas/die-frau-ohne-schatten/#synopsis
 * https://despreopera.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/die-frau-ohne-schatten.pdf
 * https://opera-guide.ch/operas/die+frau+ohne+schatten/synopsis/en/
 * https://operawire.com/opera-profile-strauss-die-frau-ohne-schatten/
 * https://opera-guide.ch/operas/die+frau+ohne+schatten/libretto/de/

--Softlavender (talk) 00:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)