Talk:Diebuster

Grammar
Needs some serious review by someone with English as a first language - there are many concepts communicated without clarity, and many sentences that are so disordered it is difficult to understand what is being said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.98.138 (talk) 08:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Character names
I've heard Lal'C being referred to as Lark far more often. Similarly, I've heard Tycho being referred to as Chiko many times. Can anyone tell me why the current names are being used? I'm not saying they're wrong but it's something that I'm not sure about. Devoto 21:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Lark" and "Chiko" are the spellings of the fansub, "Lal'C" and "Tycho" are the spellings of the US DVDs. --77.182.74.31 16:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I've since seen artwork by Gainax explaining the source of the different names. They say that it's "Larc" because of "L'arc en ciel" which is French for rainbow (and also a famous Japanese band) and Tycho because she's named after a certain celebrity whose line of work I forget.82.36.209.171 15:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Onee-sama kick
Fairly sure that the "onee-sama kick" from episode one was just a sloppy fansub translation job of "inazuma kick".
 * Agreed -- I have the new US DVD release, and the line is translated as "Lightning Kick". Togusa 03:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, strike my previous comment -- I thought you were talking about Gunbuster, and I got it confused with Diebuster. <^^;;; Togusa 03:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd actually see it as a pun on inazuma kick. It does really sounds like she's saying onee-sama kick and given Nono's obsession with "her" onee-sama and the fact she's in the process of fighting alongside the "onee-sama" in question it WOULD make perfect sense as a cute little pun.82.36.209.171 15:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Add/Edit Suggestion
The record of "largest number of enemy destroyed by one mech, in any anime" set by prequel Gunbuster likely has been broken, not to mention site Fanboy.com has not been updated very well in extended period. -Dooly00000 16:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I mentioned this in the Gunbuster discussion page, but now that Diebuster has concluded, I don't see any evidence that the record was broken. Chris411 22:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this is quite odd, but the picture of Buster Machine Dix Neuf that's in the article looks too uncanilly like the evil Ash from Army of Darkness... --159.178.50.110 04:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

New content: Buster Machines
I added some information about the buster machines. All the facts are in the series (OVAS 3, 4 & 5) I also added a quote about the tone of the series getting darker from episode 4.

Top! Next Generation
I am not sure if you guys aware of that, but Top wo Nerae! do have several novel named Top wo Nerae! Next Generation after the OVA was sold in Japan. There is an article in Chinese Wiki page (through the Gunbuster page), which the source is from http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~buj/next/next.htm

The novel mention the world between 2050-2500, before Gunbuster have yet come back to Earth, and some plot actually consistent with Top 2 Diebuster --GJ 21:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Merging with Gunbuster 2
It seems there has been a split between this article and Gunbuster 2. They have to be merged back together. This will require some detective work to figure out what (if anything) has been changed in the other article, and then moving any new information over here, and finally merging. I'm a bit busy, but I'll do it on the weekend if no one else feels like it :) —Philip N.✉ 17:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, done! —Philip N.✉ 12:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Major spoiler?
Isn't saying that the ova ends with the return of Noriko a major spoiler? Or did I miss that somewhere before the ending?

It is a major spoiler. That Diebuster is even a direct sequel is a spoiler until almost the very end. It needs an edit.
 * I went ahead and removed it. Someone can add it again with a big Spoiler warning if they want to, but that particular piece of info is hardly needed.  Chris411 22:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Aspect ratio
The article mentions "the 4:3 aspect ratio of Gunbuster", but wasn't the last episode of Gunbuster in 16:9? See this screenshot, for example. &mdash; A.M. 09:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler tags in Buster Machines section
Per the comment on this edit, I've been asked to explain why I believe Buster Machine #7's entry deserves a spoiler tag. WP:SPOILER says

If a plot detail that arises in an unexpected place — a "Cast of Characters" or "Setting" section, for instance — consider moving that detail to a more appropriate section, or changing the section title. Alternatively, the unexpected plot detail may be marked off with spoiler tags.

I believe that the Buster Machines section is a de-facto cast section, even if it's listing the mechanical members of the cast rather than the human ones. On reading it, it gives a fairly major spoiler as to the nature of one of the characters, one which I believe hurts the narrative suspense of the work if known in advance. So, as per PyTom (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There are other means of dealing with this kind of detail--section naming is probably the best--but a spoiler tag here seems reasonable given the relatively recent provenance of the series, which is Japanese and may not have fully aired in English-speaking markets. However, the nature of the spoiler really puzzles me.  Isn't it obvious from the moment Nono shows her super strength in episode one that she is an android?  It's hardly going to be a huge surprise, is it, although within the plot it may be seen as a huge revelation to the other characters? --Tony Sidaway 05:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the entire series, only the first two episodes. Upon reading this, I found myself surprised to find out that Nono was a buster machine, which is why I added the tag. I knew something was up with her... but this is anime, it could be just about anything. — PyTom (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Nostalgia?
"As with many modern anime takes on earlier 1980s shows (ie: The Guyver, Bubblegum Crisis and Dangaioh), the artwork is far less colorful and detailed than the 'classic' original, and organic-looking computer graphics robots replace the fluidly hand-animated heavy-duty mecha of yesteryear."

I spent 10 minutes trying to reword this into a neutral encyclopedic tone, and in each case, it takes all purpose out of the section. These are extremely subjective an unconfirmable descriptors. I'm removing it. -Verdatum 06:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, nevermind, I'm removing the entire paragraph, it's WP:OR. I'm instead replacing it with a new section discussing the style of the show, as I actually have a reference for it. -Verdatum 06:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Allusion point
The line in question, "In episode six, the very end scene mirrors the last scene of Aim for the Top!, therefore showing that the events of Diebuster take place about twelve thousand years after... or ten years before the end of, the original OVA."

This was changed to say that it literally was the same scene as Aim for the Top, and I reverted this. Reason being that such a claim is confusing and could use further clarification. Are you saying that it is the same footage, frame for frame? If so, it would be preferable to state that explicitly. The other section of that change used an undefined pronoun that was also confusing.

Furthermore, the conclusion that this claim reaches (in either revision) is confusing to anyone not intimately familiar with the plot. First, it is a nonsequitor, just because the scene is the same or is mirror does not mean that it takes place 12k years after or 10 years before etc. It should be explained. Further, is this claim of being one or the other infer a cyclical view of time or something? It should be explained how it could be one or the other or both...and it should be clarified if it means either an "either/or" situation, or a "both at the same time" situation. Thanks -Verdatum (talk) 15:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Minimizing Allusions
However interesting, the section "Allusions to Other Anime" is essentially a trivia section and should be reduced or removed. Please help me to incorporate this section into the larger article. The allusions to other anime section can stay if we want to write it into an article format instead of a bulleted list, for example, "The combat in the anime was highly influenced by... (list of animes)" Kit.MacAllister 15:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC-7)

FLCL
I'm torn between my desire to prevent the list of allusions from growing into a mass of indiscriminate unsourced information and an iching desire to further discuss the parallels to FLCL. I won't add of it because I don't have any repudable sources that discuss it any further than I've already included in the article (making it WP:OR), but I have a suspicion that such sources exist. The parallels are so strong that in fan circles, it's sometimes flippantly refered to as "FLCL 2". So if anyone could make mention here if they find any such sources that discuss the topic (say, for example, a translated DVD commentary track or something), I'd happily track it down and add any appropriate facts to the article. -Verdatum (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nono's Fate
The article makes multiple references to Nono sacrificing her life in the last episode. This is, in fact, left ambiguous; she warps it away, but it's never said that she dies. I think "fate unknown" would be more appropriate. Midnightbrewer (talk) 04:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Writers/directors & dates
We need some cites for this data. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0856824/ disagrees with us about who wrote it, and http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=3920&page=25 disagrees with us about the date of the 6th episode. --Gwern (contribs) 17:46 12 January 2010 (GMT)