Talk:Diem Saunders/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Grungaloo (talk · contribs) 02:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be taking this GAN on. I've done a quick read-through and the content and sources look good, so I imagine this will mostly be a review for readability. I'll try to have a complete review for you in the next few days. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions in the meantime!

grungaloo (talk) 02:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Grungaloo, thank you for taking this review up! Really appreciate your time. Bridget (talk) 03:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi again - I've finished my initial review. Overall I think it's a strong article. Issues are mostly style/prose related, with one or two citations that might need clarifying or fixing. My suggestions are below - let me know if you disagree with any of them or if you have any questions about what I've written! grungaloo (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * , thank you so much! I think I've addressed most of your concerns but I also have some questions. Best, Bridget (talk) 02:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for making the corrections and clarifications! I think you've done an excellent job on this article and given a really good treatment of the subject. All the GAN criteria have been met and I'm happy to be able to promote this article. Congratulations, and thanks again for all your work! grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Status - Passed

These are just my suggestions so don't feel as thought you need to listen to them!

General comments

 * ✅Use of MMIW vs MMIWG - both are used throughout the article, suggest picking one for consistency. The WP article uses MMIW, but I think MMIWG is common enough in Canadian press that it could reasonably be used.
 * Agreed! Going to try generally using MMIWG. I'm going to keep the description of Loretta Saunders's thesis as MMIW to match the two cited sources. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅Repeated Wikilinks - MMIW is wikilinked a few times, Amnesty International too.
 * Reduced those links. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅Repeated citations - There's a few passages where the same citation is used in consecutive sentences, like "Early life", [fn 2] is cited several times in a row. Those only need to be cited at the end of the relevant passage rather than for each line.
 * Done. Originally did this to make writing the article easier. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Lead

 * ✅ - "from the Canadian province"
 * ✅ - Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada
 * ✅Suggest dropping wikilink to "Canadian province" since the province itself it wikilinked.
 * Did the three of the above. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - "who advocated for..." They're already established as an activist so no need to restate they're an advocate, just who they advocate for.
 * Changed it to that wording. Not sure why I've cycled back and forth between these wordings. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Change "the country" to Canada.
 * ✅ - Add the specific year (2017?).
 * ✅ - concerns about the environmental impactsof a planned hydroelectric power project at Labrador's Muskrat Falls.
 * Did the three of the above. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Suggest rewriting to indicate the advisory committee was an outcome of the deal. Sounds like the agreement was reached between the province, Indigenous groups, and the advisory committee.
 * I just swapped the entries. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - "Saunders was awarded..."
 * I used "received" to avoid repetition. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Suggest adding that they passed from liver failure to round out the lead.
 * I couldn't find liver failure in news coverage of their death. Is there anything else that you think I should add? Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was wrong here, originally I thought their death was more closely related to their activism regarding transplant. I reread the sources and it's like you say it's not specified what they died from. I think the lead is good without mentioning their death. grungaloo (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Early life

 * ✅ - Neither source references their birth year, is there another source for this?
 * Both sources mention their age. I just used birth based on age as of date. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - fish producer's
 * What about fish producers' cooperative? Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, changed it to producer's. Bridget (talk) 04:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - not needed because the passage is cited, unless there's not consensus and you're explicitly saying which source takes which stance
 * I'm just attributing the parents' ancestry claims to the magazine that reported it. Not sure if it's an appropriate approach per WP:NATIVE-IDENTITY. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this works then. Since mainstream outlets aren't always reliable I think it's a good call to specify the attribution.grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - can say "an area in Labrador", not necessary to specify Labrador is a region.
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - having meals twice feels odd, maybe reword for better flow
 * I've reworded the sentence. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - change this to past tense ("in 2019 the family resided in...", or "continued to reside in") unless there is a source showing they still live there
 * I changed it to past tense, but kept the "as of 2019". Does that still read oddly? Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it sounds good that way. grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - "In 2010, Saunders decided to..." (just a suggestion)
 * That's better. And now there's more variety. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Another thought (not necessary), could drop "decided" also, since they did actually move. grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

2014-2015

 * ✅ - Specify the "Saunders" family for clarity, might need to reword since Diem is mentioned in the same sentence. Consider "After losing touch with Loretta on Valentine's day, Saunders led..."
 * Done - that works better. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - the source says she was found in Salisbury, New Brunswick.
 * Weird. Not sure why I wrote that. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - a bit unclear what's being said. Emotional support, financial support?
 * Right. I just rewrote that Johnston helped Saunders with handling their grief when Loretta's trial started, since the source doesn't specify. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - "screenings in Atlantic Canada"
 * ✅ - "who were murdered or who disappeared"
 * Did both above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * - comma needed between "Highway 16" and "known"
 * I'm not sure. We are talking about the specific stretch of the highway that has gained that reputation. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You're correct - I misread the sentence. I thought it was referring to the entire highway. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Specify who "the two" are (them and Smiley?)
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

2016-2017

 * ✅ - "The hunger strike", not pluralized.
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Suggest splitting this sentence. It's not clear that the establishment of the advisory committee was the outcome of the deal.
 * I wasn't trying to say intentionally, but I guess now I can see that the source implies that it was an outcome. I've changed it and modified the mention of the event in the lead. Bridget (talk)
 * ✅ - your call, but I don't think you need "in Labrador" since that's been said earlier in the article. Could go either way though.
 * ✅ - can drop this since APTN is the source for the satement.
 * Did both above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - This sentence could probably be split for better flow. I would suggest splitting at "money originally designated for a proposal..."
 * ✅ - Unsure what this means. How does this affect the $10 million that was offered? Was it only available because of this failure? Also what does it mean "failed to be processed"? Could consider dropping this, I don't think it's necessary.
 * I've rewritten the sentence considering the points above: Saunders praised the decision by the government of Nunatsiavut to decline $10 million offered by the provincial government and Nalcor Energy, the provincial energy corporation operating the Muskrat Falls reservoir, in 2019 as compensation for the provincial government's failure to have surrounding wetlands capped.
 * ✅ - not sure this is needed as it's not really relevant to the article.
 * Trimmed for her social activism since it's not too relevant, but I think Keys should be mentioned as she was prominent in coverage of the award (being a celebrity). Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Nova Scotia should be spelled out, N.S. might not be easily understandable to non-Canadians
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - change to Saunders' so it's consistent with previous uses of the possessive
 * The article has been pretty consistent using Saunders's, except for two instances of Saunders' that have now been changed. I see it varies between sources - I just saw this CBC article and started what they used. Should I should swap to Saunders'? Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Both are grammatically correct, so really as long as it's consistent. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * - suggest specifying year
 * Not sure if that year works? Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * On another read-through I think it works as is, no change needed. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - change to Saunders'
 * See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

2017-2021

 * ✅ - "they had reached in sobriety.
 * Done, thanks. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Saunders'
 * See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Sounds a bit odd. Suggest rewording to "Later that month, Saunders was treated for..."
 * Agreed. Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - This sentence feels a bit like a non-sequitur. Maybe try working into the preceding or following paragraph.
 * Moved into previous paragraph. Not where else to move it or incorporate it into. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think my original assessment was off. I like the way it looks now, but it also worked fine the previous way. I'll leave it to you if you want to change it back or leave it. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Personal life

 * ✅ - Swap colon for a comma.
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Saunders'
 * See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - suggest a comma between "murder" and "and".
 * Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)