Talk:Diener

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Djack21.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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I have added the parenthetical statement that at some institutions dieners perform the entire autopsy. My source for this is 6 years of working as a diener. In many instances I worked alone on the autopsy and only called a pathologist in to review my findings once I was concluded with the autopsy. Therefore, I have no source to cite for this information--only my life experience.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 00:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your addition. I currently work as a diener and in my area it really depends on the pathologist as to how much work I actually do. Some will only section the organs once everything is removed by the diener, others share the work load. It varies. Interesting though, dieners in my region do not offer conclusions. Conclusions fall entirely within the pathologists purview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbit 11 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Morge?
There is a suggestion that this article should be merged with "Morge" [sic]. Clearly, that makes no sense at all. If the intention was to merge with Morgue, then I would suggest not merging it because I needed to look up Diener and was glad to find an actual article. Beowulf (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Sample Article Lead Section
This is a sample lead section for this article. It briefly covers the definition of a diener, education and training requirements, places of work, duties on the job, necessary skills, and types of hazards the job. I plan to expand on those topics within the article to give a better description of the job as a diener, since the article does not discuss any of this information in depth or briefly at this point in time.

A diener, also known as an autopsy technician, autopsy assistant, or morgue attendant is a worker responsible for completing a variety of tasks in a morgue, assisting a pathologist. The term “diener” is derived from the German term Leichendier, meaning corpse servant.

Education requirements for a diener includes a high school diploma or GED certificate. It also includes completion of undergraduate biology, human anatomy, physiology, zoology, or criminal justice courses with laboratory work as well. Becoming a diener may also include previous experience working as a radiology technician or a laboratory assistant which involved use of surgical tools or grew human anatomy knowledge, instead of any undergraduate course work. In the beginning stages of working as a diener, there are certain training requirements. Training requirements for a diener may include manual handling, infection control, and safety procedures.

A diener can work in different areas. Those areas include hospital morgues and medical schools. A diener has multiple duties within the position and the duties of a diener typically are the same wherever they work. One of the main duties of a diener is to assist in autopsies. Within assisting with an autopsy, a diener may fingerprint patients, remove organs, and examine blood samples. In autopsy assisting, a diener can collect and keep record of evidence relating to a patient’s death such as radiographs. When working in a medical school, a diener helps train medical students, interns, and residents on performing an autopsy. Also, a diener performs other minimal tasks such as checking equipment inventory and cleaning equipment.

In order to be a diener, certain skills are necessary for job performance. Some skills a diener needs includes physical strength, reasoning, problem solving, attention to detail, and stress tolerance. There is a number of different hazards a diener may face on the job.

There is approximately six different types of hazards that a diener may risk: mechanical, sharp force, electrical, chemical, radiation, and infection.

Djack21 (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing Diener
Hi Debrieana,

I think you picked a very interesting topic for your Wikipedia project. I think you did a really good job keeping a neutral point of view throughout your article rough draft. For your lead section I think you defined what a diener is very well, but I think you need to expand more in your lead section. The lead section of your article should be around 200 words. You chose to add the subheadings of Education, Work and Duties, Skills, and Hazards, so in your lead section you should explain or give a little synapsis of key topics discussed in your following subheadings. This helps the reader gain insight on your article and possibly helps them gain access to specific information they are searching for. I feel by introducing little bit more information in your lead section on each subheading will give you a very strong and organized article to stem your subheading information from. I think you have already improved this article tremendously by adding subheading sections. I like all the subheading sections you have come up with, but I think editing the lead section as well as four other subheading sections is a lot of work. You could possibly pick two sections and the lead section and add, expand, and improve to those particular sections for the Wikipedia project. I had the same trouble when I went to edit my article on Sports Injury. I was planning to improve the lead section, add to the prevention section, add to the sports-related emotional stress section, and also add to the sports medicine section. I found it very overwhelming and like there was too much on my plate to be able to edit and improve to my best ability in that short amount of time, so I just picked two sections to edit, which Professor McEwen said was okay to do. This could be an option for you to do with your article. By enhancing your knowledge on specific subheadings this could lead to a more focused research, which could ultimately lead you to become an expert on specific subheading topics. I think you started out each subheading well by introducing what you are going to be discussing particularly in that section. I think you just need to expand on your ideas, make sure to include research, and insert ref tags in your paragraphs. In your journal post you included your articles you used for research on your topic of diener’s. I think all of them look very reliable being from journals and very informative. I think you just need to include ref tags from your sources once you expand on your initial ideas. I noticed that you included attached articles to your topic on diener’s through specific words stated in your article. I think this is very beneficial for readers in order for them to expand their knowledge and emerge themselves into the Wikipedia topic at hand. I saw that in your journal post you had a difficult time adding sources to your article as well as finding more information on your topic. When I was researching for my article I found that the MSU library search engine and Google scholar search engines were very beneficial to me by finding journals that were reliable and essential for my edits. Overall, I think you have a great start to your Wikipedia project on Diener’s. Good luck on the rest of your editing and if you have any questions you can email me!

https://www.lib.msu.edu/

https://scholar.google.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_a9fBc13b4

LindseyRenk (talk) 02:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Peer Edit
Hi Debrieana,

I enjoyed reading your rough draft, and I think you have made excellent progress so far! I agree with Lindsey that adding sections was a good idea, but try to some more research to expand the section. Having only one or two sentences under a section heading makes the article look barren. I also had difficulty trying to narrow down my sections to expand. I had many proposed sections, but I could not find research to enhance them all. I also think choosing just a few sections to improve will make this assignment easier and a little less overwhelming. Also trying to be more specific within each section may help you to find research that can help expand the article. Adding a variety of citations in a section may hep with reliability if all the sources show have the same information. I think you did an excellent job writing in a neutral and objective tone, which is an important staple in any Wikipedia article. You chose excellent Wikilinks to incorporate into your draft to further expand the reader's knowledge and understanding of dinners. More Wikilcnks could help the reader make connections to things they are already familiar with, so that could help improve the article as well. Overall, you have done a great job so far, and some small tweaks can make this an excellent addition to Wikipedia! Good luck!

Kosaskih (talk) 03:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Vocabulary
This article is greatly hindered by assumptions about uniformity. At the heart of this is vocabulary. Stating that a diener can become a morgue technician implies that the two are different. At one institution those titles might be different occupations, but at others they are not. The two titles are used as synonyms. Working for a forensic pathologist over a general pathologist implies that there is such a thing as a general pathologist (there isn't). The descriptions about the duties of a diener, although likely representative of reality in pockets of the world, do not reflect the diversity of the work performed by dieners the world over. Some dieners in Anatomic Pathology departments work both in autopsy pathology and surgical pathology. Some do not. Some dieners only prepare autopsy stations, clean and sew bodies, and mop the floor. Others perform the entire autopsy and then call the pathologist into the morgue for them to review the findings and issue the diagnoses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.232.14.2 (talk) 18:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Pop culture
There used to be a section on dieners in pop culture, specifically mentioning the novel The Grave Below as featuring a diener as the protagonist. I see that was removed as “not notable in any way.” Do wiki articles no longer use sections on references in pop culture? I know I’ve seen it many times in the past? Also, what defines notable? It just seems like an arbitrary and subjective concept. I suspect many dieners find book, film, and television portrayals of their occupation to be notable.

Moravian Church
The section on the dieners in the Moravian Church should probably not be in this article. It needs to either be broken out into its own article or rolled into the article on Moravians, with a link provided here. If I knew anything at all about the Moravians I might do it myself, but I think this is a job for someone else.