Talk:Dietrich von Saucken

Article in German Wiki'
I was surprised to see that the parallel article in the German-language Wikipedia had been deleted some time ago. I would hope that someone more capable in German than I would at least write a brief summary of this notable life, if not restore the article altogether. Firstorm (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Article is available since October 2011 again, see Dietrich von Saucken ... GELongstreet (talk) 21:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Feud with Guderian
...he was removed from his position and placed in the Führerreserve by Generaloberst Heinz Guderian, the Chief of Staff of the Army at the OKH, following an argument between them about the senselessness of continuing an already lost war.
 * Was it Von Saucken or Guderian who thought the war was lost? Valetude (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Suppose it was von Saucken. Guderian was placed in the Führerreserve years earlier when he argued with Hitler - interestingly von Saucken did that, too, and kept his command in 1945. ... GELongstreet (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Saluting drill
He had not given the Nazi salute with raised arm and the words 'Heil Hitler', as had been regulation since 20 July 1944...
 * What was the drill before this date? And did the date have anything to do with the July Plot? Valetude (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * From 1933 on there was a mixture of greetings thanks to new manuals that called for the Nazi salute on certain occasions but also emphasized to older traditions. So technically the Nazi salute was not given with hats on. Hitler changed that indeed after and because of the July Plot. ...GELongstreet (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Character traits
Moving here for storage; this is written in a journalistic style, and could be copy/pasted from somewhere. Does not seem to belong in the article in the current form. This at least needs in-text attribution:


 * A cavalry officer who regularly wore both a sword and a monocle, Saucken personified the archetypal aristocratic Prussian conservative who despised the braune Bande ("brown mob") of Nazis. When he was ordered to take command of the Second Army on 12 March 1945, he came to Hitler's headquarters with his left hand resting casually on his cavalry sabre, his monocle in his eye, . . . [and then] saluted and gave a slight bow. This was three 'outrages' at once. He had not given the Nazi salute with raised arm and the words 'Heil Hitler', as had been regulation since 20 July 1944, he had not surrendered his weapon on entering....and had kept his monocle in his eye when saluting Hitler.


 * When Hitler told him that he must take his orders from Albert Forster, the Gauleiter (Nazi governor, or "District Leader") of Danzig, Saucken returned Hitler's gaze....and striking the marble slab of the map table with the flat of his hand, he said, 'I have no intention, Herr Hitler, of placing myself under the orders of a Gauleiter'. In doing this he had bluntly contradicted Hitler and not addressed him as Mein Führer.


 * To the surprise of everyone who was present, Hitler capitulated and replied, "All right, Saucken, keep the command yourself." Hitler dismissed the General without shaking his hand and Saucken left the room with only the merest hint of a bow.

K.e.coffman (talk) 05:41, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Somebody else has done the right thing and restored it as it totally belongs into there. I think you´re probably right about the style, at least for the first paragraph, but this just means there´s room for improving it. I´ve also added references to all 3 paragraphs in that section, though in the end those are the same two as before. ...GELongstreet (talk) 02:08, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Wehrmachtbericht
Many discussions have taken place on this topic, most recently at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_20.

The discussion of this general's "mentions in the Wehrmachtbericht" can only be found in a primary source, the collection of the transcripts themselves. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Recent edit
Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "excessive intricate detail; WP:BOOKSPAM". --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * diff: "c/e lead for notability; excessive intricate detail; neo-Nazi publication not used for citations". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)