Talk:Digital freedom

"Digital freedom" is not a topic
I'm quite sure that the topic "digital freedom" does not exist and cannot be written about. I can't find any evidence that it has a definition (let alone one agreed on by multiple unrelated parties).

It seems that a campaign called "Digital Freedom campaign" does exist, so I will redirect this stub article to there. --Gronky (talk) 11:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is
I was the one who created this article and i've restored it for now. I'll look for some sources in the meantime Shadowmage13 (talk) 11:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do. An anon is currently adding a link to this article from many unrelated articles, so I would like to get this cleared up before a real mess is made. --Gronky (talk) 11:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * A note about the four external links added so far. They prove that the term has been used, but they still don't point to a coherent understanding.  The term "new earth" has been used in many press article headlines and as the name of some organisations, but that doesn't make "new earth" a topic, and Wikipedia rightly doesn't have an article on it: new earth.


 * More specifically, the Ubuntu link contains no information or commentary about "digital freedom". It is wholly a guide to advocacy.  Libervis.com uses the slogan, but again, I don't see any description of what they think it means (and thus no third-parties sharing their definition).  The Digital Freedom Network is a group who's goal is "free enterprise, limited government, rule of law and individual freedom".  And the family guide website uses the term as an umbrella term for "Free digital formats and protocols, Free Software, Free Culture, fair use" (in contrast, Wikipedia deals with these topics seperately: Free file format, Free Software, Free culture, fair use).


 * So these links just display two possible interpretations, with no third-party acknowledgement, and these two interpretations are not even similar to each other.


 * Can you tell me why you think "digital freedom" is a topic that an encyclopedia article can be written about? --Gronky (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well i see that wikipedia deals with those topics separately, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one term that can be used as an umbrella term for all of them. I guess the term isn't that popular right now but in my experience, when i use it when talking to people, they always know what i am talking about. I'm not a big wikipedia contributor so i'm not sure what kind of third party source would i need? If i can't find that does that mean this article is to be deleted until and if the term goes mainstream? 209.150.54.42 (talk) 04:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Aha. That, I can answer.   I tell people I'm a lobbyist, but "not for tabaco or big pharma - I'm one of the good guys".  People always know what I'm talking about, but Wikipedia will never have an article on What the good guys do.


 * Wikipedia usually only has articles on umbrella topics when there is something that can be said about that grouping. Access to Knowledge movement is the closest such article.  It can be said to be a topic because there is a definition (in their treaty), multiple unrelated organisations have agreed that that meaning is what they mean by "access to knowledge", and there are things that can be said about that group (but unfortunately that article doesn't say much at all).  In contrast, people can't make statements about "digital freedom" because no one knows what it means.  What politicians support digital freedom?  If a politician said they supported digital freedom, what would that mean?  (I know what I'd hope it meant, but nothing gives me certainty that what they meant is what I'd hoped they meant)


 * That said, did you have text you were thinking of writing on this article? Maybe there's already a good place for that text. --Gronky (talk) 11:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)