Talk:Digital native/Archives/2012

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The paragraph in this article which is critical of the term looks POV. Of course there is bound to be legitimate criticism of the term, but this isn't the right way to write about it in wikipedia. "Not everyone agrees" - okay, sure. Who, exactly? We need references, citing what is said, rather than a list of problems that appear to have been thought of by person editing the article. The second paragraph with the reference to Bennett, Maton & Kervin is better. However there is still an assertion of broad criticism, which a single critical paper is not enough to substantiate. This needs more backup, and if that's not forthcoming the section should be deleted.

I'd say the first paragraph is the one requiring citation--or at least contextualization (addressed to some degree in the second paragraph, yes, but I don't think that's really adequate). It treats the term as though it's an agreed, established category for social analysis, when I suspect the reality is more that it's a bit of early-2000s ephemera; some jargon that advertising and marketing types like to throw around but which certainly shouldn't be presented as a "fact". The critical section should certainly not be deleted. 81.108.167.162 (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Digital Immigrant
If there is some evidence, that digital natives exist - which I doubt heavily - then it might be valid to add some entry for the digital immigrant. BUT until the controverse points of view if something like a digital native even exists (besides the publications of mr. prensky) I would prefer to keep this article clean of any speculations like the existence of digital imigrants. This is why I deleted the sentence A digital immigrant is an individual who grew up without digital technology and adopted it later. A digital native might refer to their new "camera"; a digital immigrant might refer to their new "digital camera". --L&#39;g. (talk) 08:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I would like to add, that the definition for a digital immigrant seem so wishiwashi that no one even would take into account citing this. Growing up without digital technology seems like the standards procedure of every human life. No one grows up beeing in a way "wired" right away from his/her first deep breath. But, if every person on this planet becomes a digital immigrant at some point intime after his/her birth, than we would all be digital immigrants, right?

Giving something a label to differentiate it from other things is the core essence of using a label. but if this label labels everything, a label gets useless - and so is the term digital immigrant from my POV. --L&#39;g. (talk) 08:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

these metaphors should be only included if contextualized properly. they are an expression of clumsyness and ineptness in digital culture. no hacker, programmer or webdesigner would call himself a "digital native" or "digital immigrant". it is also a sign of a lack of knowledge or respect towards the real conditions of migration and indigenous culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.41.139 (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Given the definition here, the developers of the Internet and the web would be "digital immigrants." The analogy just doesn't stretch well. Jonl (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It may be that the use of the term was useful rhetorically when it was first used. John Perry Barlow used the terms immigrants and natives in a 1995 interview when he was in Australia: "I would say that, generally speaking, at this stage, if you're over 25, you're an immigrant. If you're under 25 you're closer to being a native, in terms of understanding what it is and having a real basic sense of it." But I agree the term is simply too crude to be a useful way to talk about any subset of users. Cjgc13 (talk) 03:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but a digital native is defined in my inferior opinion as someone who either: played a part in invention of the cyberspace as we know it (most below 55 have, and the creator of C can be called one too due to his extreme infatuation with computers), or has grown up with the ability to access computers from the day they could write. JJhashisreasons (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Earlier use than 2001
In the Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace from 1996 there is a sentence: "You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants". So, evidently, the native-immigrant-analogy has been present before 2001. Should we add this to the article? Are there maybe also other source earlier than 2001 that include this analogy? --Tobias (Talk) 09:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)