Talk:Digital paper

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Yes, yes, a very poor beginning, but a beginning it is. Kail Ceannai 07:18, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

On the contrary, it's a good beginning. Digital paper isn't really meant for the home/casual user, but more for businesses who want to keep the traditional pen and paper work flow and want to capture data electronically. It's not cost efffective to arm all their employees with a touch tablet or other high-end piece of electronics. Also, most laborers are not technically inclined, so this solution is justified. --William Phyer 16:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't figure out exactly what this article is about, or what the significance of the "pattern" is. Can someone who knows clarify this in laymans terms? AaronWL 04:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The pattern is a bunch of these small dots that are around 100 microns in size. The dots are arranged on a grid in a specific pattern. Each dot is printed either top, bottom, left or right of this grid. When a 6x6 grid of these dots are printed, they correlate to an origin within the "Anoto Space". Basically when interpreted, you get an x,y location. That's where the pen comes into play. The pen has a camera that reads the dots and stores all of the x,y coordinates. When you download the information from the pen into the computer, it re-draws the strokes and you see what was written, digitally. --William Phyer 16:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

This article is about Anoto Digital Paper, not digital paper in general. (note by 213.115.255.148)

Mostly because the original author knows more information is known about Anoto digital paper than about HP, Logitech, Hitachi, Nokia, and Maxwell digital paper. Notes on these other brands ought to be included, if anyone is able to supply the information. --Kail Ceannai 01:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, at least logitech and Nokia licences Anoto technology. Probably the other ones too. I'm not aware of a major different technology than Anoto digital paper. Peter S. 09:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

There are PDF Files so you can print your own paper. Has anyone these files and can mail?

Pattern size?
I'm probably being dim here, but why is the multi-mega-square-kilometre pattern size important? -- Steved424 18:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * By having such a large pattern the pattern is useful for not only "reading" a person's writing but for identifying what the person is writing on. A chunck of the pattern can be assigned to a particular type or particular page of paper: digital paper sticky notes, paper pads, and forms such as a calendar. When a person writes on a sticky note the interpreting device is able to recognize the patterns of movement and handwriting (based on motion relative to the dots of the pattern) and what was written on (based on what part of the pattern is being used.) Kail Ceannai 22:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If I buy a notebook with 100 pages in it, every page in that notebook will be different. I won't have to write on only one page at a time, or tell the pen which page I am writing on. There can be many different designs of notebooks that are different. Also, you can license sections of the pattern space for your own applications, and the pen will know who to send your writing to, if you want some sort of nifty special-purpose application. Bhimaji 01:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Another question about pattern size. This marketing blurb claims "It’s all about tracking 170,005,193,383,307,227,693,056 dots". I don't understand how this number comes about. It factors as 36 * 436. I can see how a 6x6 grid of 4 position dots accounts for the 436, but where does the extra 36 come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.243.169.70 (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Magicomm
I'm very confused. Why is this person so dead-set against any hint that Magicomm's pen is made by Hitachi Maxell? The model number is the same, the specs are the same, Magicomm's photos are even identical to Hitachi Maxell's photos. Bhimaji 20:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, There is no need to be confused. My name is Andy Haynes. I am Technical Director for magicomm in the UK. Our pen (G303) is specially manufactured under strict license by Hitachi Maxell. We have a different level of (customised) firmware in the device. We have been trying to correct this situation for some time, however, it seems there are persons editing the text with no idea of the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy@haynesy.com (talk • contribs) 14:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "it seems there are persons editing the text with no idea of the facts"
 * Look at the edit history. You'll find that the same people who were correcting the Magicomm info were also adding incorrect information and often intentional mis-spellings into other entries. If you are intending to imply that I put anything in that was contrary to the facts, please point it out and I will apologize.
 * The last edit you did makes no sense - why don't you want your full product part number here? "DP-201" comes from your own web page! Bhimaji 18:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies for this. The web site is now corrected. The designer took electrical and physical characteristics from the DP-201 and pasted them to our site. Our pen (G303) does have the same electrical and physical characteristics but not the same firmware. As for the other edits, there are individuals in our business intent on mischief. I am pleased this page is now locked unless the user is logged in. Andy@haynesy.com 14:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was getting very confused, because DP-201 was listed on your site, so it seemed appropriate to list it here.
 * Regarding mischief - there were 6 anonymous IP editors in the last 50 edits. Three of them were clearly random vandals just adding garbage.
 * However, of the three editors who made meaningful changes, each of them also made utterly inappropriate changes that could be classed as vandalism. Also, all three of them were coming out of the UK.
 * Given this, I think it would be good if you would have a discussion with whichever people at Magicomm have been editing the article, and make sure they understand both Wikipedia's policies on vandalism, and that they are running up-to-date anti-virus and anti-spyware software. Bhimaji 16:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It might be interesting to explain how the Magicomm g303's firmware is different from Maxell DP-201's one. Does this mean that they are not compatible? Does this mean that the g303 can only be used with Magicomm software? Does this mean that the g303 has extra features that make it better than the DP-201? Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ablivio (talk • contribs) 11:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Missing Link
there is also another Company developing Software on these pen's. www.srs-management.de should be added to the links too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bke15 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at their page, but I don't read German... They have an English version of the page, but it's in German too. If the German German differs from the English German, it's very, very subtle... --JayLevitt (talk) 21:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

FAS Group is a group of 4 companies developping software for professional usage of digital pens. They're located in France (Kayentis), UK (Meticulus), Germany (SRS) and South Africa (Compcorp). link FAS Group. Their offer is based on shared secure enterprise platform FAS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmcombe (talk • contribs) 10:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Missing Link
Fictrix (www.fictrix.com) is also another company, providing digital pen solutions, with nice references. website is in english —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbouter (talk • contribs) 10:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Image or text?
This is probably a dumb question, but do these devices simply save the handwriting as an image, or can any of them convert the handwriting into text that could be put on a Word document? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.178.157.177 (talk) 22:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Internally, they store your writing as vectors - it stores the individual pen strokes. That's what you need if you want to do good recognition.

Once the strokes are stored, you can send them as vectors over Bluetooth if your pad of paper has the right magic button, or via USB without a magic button on the pad of paper. Many pads of paper also have magic buttons that send GIF copy of the page over Bluetooth - the pen doesn't store the GIF, it just creates it on the fly from the vectors. Bhimaji (talk) 10:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

New Player in Market Space
There is a new player in the market that is heavily targeting the corporate workforce automation market. the comapany is called digitalpaperwork http://www.digitalpaperwork.com. They are signing up VAR's globally and seem to making a lot of progress with this technology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdrothman (talk • contribs) 13:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to hear new people moving in to this market. Also, I'm pleased that you chose to put a comment in the talk page rather than put lots of marketing material up.


 * I am having some problems with your web site, however - most of the links are white on white unless I put my pointer over them. Some of the multi-level links work but are formatted strangely.


 * Some of the Javascript references are to non-existent files:
 * http://www.digitalpaperwork.com/OurMarket/Manufactoring.aspx
 * has a link:
 * 
 * but that link should actually be to:
 * 
 * ...since the javascript in question is only in the root directory of your web server.


 * I also note that "manufacturing" is mis-spelled in the URL. Not that important, but something that you may want to look at to improve the web site's quality.


 * Is there any info you can point out that describes which components in an Anoto workflow are provided by you, which are customized by you, and which are supplied by other vendors? I think it's helpful when a company's info on Wikipedia is clear about what they directly do. Bhimaji (talk) 04:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Digital pen
There's no distinct WP article on the above. Why? --Ludvikus (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Opening paragraph is vague
I'd like to know how one uses a digital pen. I've never used one. I'm interested in handwriting and having my handwritten text recorded by my PC. But this article totally fails to expain how this is done. i cannot improve the article because I don't know the particulars of such systems. And this article toally fails in its attempt at an explanation.

Can someone else please help? Please explain the operation(s) of a digital pen. Do I need always some kind of pad or special digital paper? Is there a device whereby I write hardcopy on regular paper while a digitized version of my writing appears on the screen or display of my PC?

This article seems to "talk to the converted" - those who know the technology involved may understand it. But I, a mostly uninformed individual about this stuff, am left in the dark!

Please improve the explanation. --Ludvikus (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to a place with a definition & description of a Digital pen: . --Ludvikus (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Acquisitions
This might be worth to mention :
 * Destiny acquired Logitech's io2 activities.
 * Anoto acquired Maxell's digital pen activities.

=> There are some deep changes in the landscape.

Digital notepad
At the moment in wikipedia there's no place for the term "digital notepad", which is actually used online. I'm new to wikipedia, but I think that at least a section about this tools and possibly a redirect, if not a new page would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolamr (talk • contribs) 08:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)