Talk:Dignity Freedom Network

WSJ
discussion on this matter belongs in the CA textbook controversy article

reversion
please stop reverting the article - Lets talk about changes before simply changing back Benjaminmarsh 22:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

pat robertson
His views on hindus are irrelevant for this article Benjaminmarsh 22:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Why do you keep changing our information? Please stop. You are misrepresenting us. We are not a missionary organization nor have we ever been.

--Benjaminmarsh 17:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in the article that suggests missionary activity.. Merely that DFN works with several anti-Hindu personalities and organizations and often misrepresents itself as Hindu when, in fact, it is Christian.Hkelkar 22:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * but again, someone has changed it to suggest missionary activity. We aren't missionaries.Benjaminmarsh 21:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * See WP:COIBakaman Bakatalk 04:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If there's something you disagree with, could I suggest you indicate this with or  after the statement. In Wikipedia, the burden of proof is always on those who want information to be included. Accordingly, you are within your rights to request citations. Also, could I suggest you avoid using the revert function, unless for obvious vandalism. Thanks, Addhoc 19:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

D'Souza's wife
this information is not pertinent to the article. Nor, for that matter, is the fact that neither nanci nor joseph are Dalits. Is the founder of "save the whales" a whale? Benjaminmarsh 01:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So you're equating Dalits with whales? Racism. Typical of Bible-Thumping missionary groups. Hkelkar 06:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What do whales have to with the article?--D-Boy 20:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That was a metaphor. Please stop being insulting. You are not advancing facts but an agenda of hatred. 68.50.210.44 21:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the original post. This information is not relevant to the Dalit Freedom Network and is said in a way to undermine their legitimacy. Also, the wording about Joseph's wife insinuates that she is not actually a Dalit, but her husband merely claims that she is. There is a vicious tone to these sentences and they do no advance the purpose of the article which is to provide unbiased information about the Dalit Freedom Network. Msihswt (talk) 16:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

"their position was different..."
This statement needs factual backing. Our activities were supported by a number of progressive Hindu organizations.Benjaminmarsh 01:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Progressive Hindu orgs" run by Islamist fronts like FOSA with "Allah will destroy the terrorist state of India" right up on their website? Yeah, right.Hkelkar 06:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Evidence:
 * 1) http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/events/indpakpeace/ Association with the "Pakistan American Alliance"
 * 2) PAA is a terrorist front with "Allah will destroy the terrorist state of India" as a motto
 * 3) When exposed, they hastily "removed" the links and "ended their association" with PAA. Yeah, right. Hkelkar


 * Who said anything about FOSA? 68.50.210.44 21:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fact tag for 'missionary' description
I've tagged the 'missionary' description, considering this is a weekend, I'll give 48 hours to find a citation before removing the word. Addhoc 21:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Again, I would like to flag the 'missionary' description. This source is not even about the organization, but the founder. Msihswt (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Article by Crystal Hsu and PN Benjamin
This article should not be included. HVK.org is not a source for dispassionate information but is an opinion site in support of hindutva. The source does not meet wikipedia's requirements. Benjaminmarsh 01:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's an archive of a legit news source and satisfies wiki requirements just fine.Hkelkar 01:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * it is not a news site - it is an organization with a blantant hinduthva mission68.50.210.44 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

This article doesn't appear to mention a missionary agenda, accordingly I have given the sentence a failed verification tag. If there isn't a response in 48 hours, then I'll remove the word "missionary". Addhoc 11:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Reworded to better reflect source.Hkelkar 12:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of casteism and racism
this discussion belongs in the article on the Dalits, not here. Benjaminmarsh 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

CA controversy
Discussion on this belongs in the article about the case and has been removed  Benjaminmarsh 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion restored
The discussion page has been restored. It is unethical to remove the discussion page. --Cardreader 00:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant and non-credible sources

 * I have removed items from the article that were either loosely associative with the topic in general or originating from non-sourceable opinion pieces. This is in accordance with OTRS ticket number 2007020710000014, which relates to outside correspondence sent to the foundation.  The rationale for this removal can be found at WP:V and WP:BLP inasmuch as WP:BLP can be expanded to include existent organizations.  Please use credible news sources when providing criticism, and don't cite information or article which have nothing to do with the subject in question to lead the reader to conclusions.  Bastiq ▼ e demandez 14:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Many more irrelevant facts have crept into this article. This article is about the Dalit Freedom Network, not Joseph D'Souza. The comments about "mass baptism," "saddness over Nagaland" and Joseph's work with missionary Benedict Rogers are not about DFN. If you would like to post them about Joseph D'Souza, then post them on his Article and provide a link at the bottom of the page. Msihswt (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Dalit Freedom Network article survives proposed deletion


User:JzG had proposed the article Dalit Freedom Network should be deleted:
 * Articles_for_deletion/Dalit Freedom Network

The proposal was defeated. There was only 1 vote for deletion, and 7 votes to keep.

--ISKapoor 19:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kancha Ilaiah
The article claims:


 * Kancha Ilaiah who have been accused of making statements that are biased against Hinduism.

Anyone who has read works by Kanch and his interviews, will know that he is simply anti-Hindu. He says so himself. Why attempt to camouflague it?

Here is what Dr Kancha Ilaiah said (rediff.com: The Rediff Interview/Dr Kancha Ilaiah January 17, 2000):


 * "I am a product of the post-Independence rural caste whom Brahminical forces wanted to destroy. So I will continue to agitate against Hinduism," he says.


 * "In my view, Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult of worshipping certain violent figures."


 * "Hinduism is basically a spiritual fascist cult."

--ISKapoor 23:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagged statements
The folowing statements are tagged: I'll remove the tagged sentences in due course. Addhoc 12:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Neither Dr. Joseph D'souza nor Nanci Ricks is Dalit, however D'souza has indicated that his wife was born a Dalit " - no source, dubious accuracy. See other comments on this page about tone of this remark.
 * "The DFN hosted a conference entitled "Racism and Caste Based Discrimination in India: Implications for the US-India Relationship", where talks were given by activists Udit Raj and Kancha Ilaiah who have been accused of making statements that are biased against Hinduism" - factually not supported by the source provided. According to this source a US Congressman organized a conference and invited a number of speakers, which included D'souza, Raj and Ilaiah. So they attended the same conference. Doesn't prove they have the same agenda.
 * "Kancha Ilaiah has stated that Hinduism is "basically a spiritual fascist cult" and "Yes, I hate Hinduism"" - relevance per comments about merely attending the same conference. Also not exactly balanced coverage of a living person.


 * Please don't remove facts. If you have found anything anything that will "balance" Kancha Ilaiah's statements, please do go ahead, and add. I have read his works, and have not found anything that will provide the "balance" whatever do you mean by that. He has always been an outspoken critic of Hinduism. --ISKapoor 02:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * References have been added.--ISKapoor 02:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the references. Addhoc 11:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

located in a church?
That is just dumb... look up their address. It is not a church. whoever keeps adding that is just being foolish.

DFN HQ, its partnership with Christian organizations and its motivation
I have made some edits to
 * 1) Specifically mention its HQ as Washington DC USA and not as "our country's capital". Wikipedia is used by people around the world, and what is "our country's capital" for some guy in Colorado, USA is not the same for the girl in Tanzania.
 * 2) Mention DFN's partnership with Christian organizations All India Christian Council and Operation Mercy India Foundation.
 * 3) Mention DFN's motivation as is apparent from a statement made by its president, Dr. Joseph D'souza, "...250 million Dalits will find true and lasting freedom and experience the Kingdom of God". DFN advocates please keep in mind that I have a timestamped pdf of the webpage from DFN's site where D'souza's statement is available. So, any attempts to remove that statement from DFN's site, and hence subsequently revert my edit to obfuscate its motivation will be a futile exercise.
 * 4) Correct formating by removing redundant references mentioned in the main body of the article.

Edits 2 and 3 have been referenced to verifiable sources. I don't believe anyone will challenge edit 1, but if so a reference can be easily added. :Tatvaanveshanam (talk) 05:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)