Talk:Dili/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 13:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Cambalachero (talk · contribs) 15:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Image review
 * File:Aussenministerium und Avenida de Portugal.jpg
 * File:Palacio do Governo 2011.jpg (and consider adding the FoP-East Timor tag at Commons)
 * File:DSCI3122 Bucht von Dili.jpg
 * File:Jesus Backside Beach.jpg
 * File:East Timor adm-2 location map.svg
 * File:PT Dili 1952-1975 COA.svg
 * File:DiliMercadoMunicipal.jpg (and consider adding the FoP-East Timor tag at Commons)
 * File:Landsat dili lrg.jpg (AGF as the link is now dead because of NASA's site being rearranged; consider adding a information template)
 * File:Jesus Backside Beach, Dili, East Timor (312833934).jpg
 * File:Dili cities rivers.png
 * File:2021-12-16 Sede do Municipio de Dili.jpg
 * File:Hindu Tempel Dili04.jpg (taken from Facebook, but with confirmation that the uploader is re-licensing the photos. If the temple itself is 500 years old or so, consider adding a PD-Old-100 tag as well)
 * File:2017-03-30 Kathedrale von Dili 1.jpg (and consider adding the FoP-East Timor tag at Commons)
 * File:110623-F-HS649-551 (5881875275).jpg
 * File:Painel pateo AMRT1.jpg
 * File:Sucos Dili.png
 * File:Caixa Geral de Depósitos-Building-Dili-2009.JPG (and consider adding the FoP-East Timor tag at Commons)
 * File:Sprachen Osttimors-en.png
 * File:Dili International School celebrating culture.jpg
 * File:Dili OSM.png
 * File:Presidente Nicolau Lobato International Airport terminal, 2018 (02).jpg (and consider adding the FoP-East Timor tag at Commons)
 * Added the FoP tags, thanks hadn't actually kept up with that legislation being passed. Regarding the NASA photo, it can be seen at Wayback here. The Hindu temple is definitely less than 50 years old. CMD (talk) 04:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Infobox and lead
 * File:DSCI3122 Bucht von Dili.jpg is not really illustrative for the infobox. Only a small part of the city is barely visible, even at full size; all the focus is on the sunset.
 * File:Jesus Backside Beach.jpg has a similar problem, it's just the beach. An article about a city should have photos of its landmarks here.
 * Took a bit to find images that fit the format, but I have replaced those two with File:Leuchtturm Dili.jpg and File:Cristo Rei Dili Timor Leste 2.jpg. CMD (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "In 1975, a civil war between Timorese political parties broke out..." Being the lead things should be kept short, but a civil war is serious stuff: mention, at least in some words, what the Civil War was about. Is there any article about it that we may link?
 * I don't think we have anything to link here. This article's history section currently has a brief summary. Similar summaries can be found at Democratic Republic of East Timor (1975) and Timorese Democratic Union, but I don't think either would make a helpful link in this situation. It's definitely a viable topic for a future article, and is relevant to this article because much happened in Dili itself, but it is generally not seen as that important compared to the huge impact of the impending Indonesian invasion. CMD (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Initial Portuguese settlement
 * Was there any indigenous population before the Portuguese arrival?
 * I have found it difficult to find reliable information on the area pre-1769, including whenever the Portuguese arrival actually was. What is now Dili belonged to the Motael kingdom in 1769, but I haven't found any source noting what the bounds of this Kingdom was and how it was structured. I presume the center of power was either quite near the original Dili, or later moved close to it, as that would make sense if it was a friendly kingdom and the Portuguese governor was seeking a new base, and the present Motael suco is just west of the port. This source mentions a few times Dili existing prior to 1769, as a "small settlement" that had a "field captain". I am not sure what a small settlement is; possible a hamlet of Motael, possibly a Portuguese military outpost? This source states there was (at least?) one "small fortified structure" in what became Dili in 1769. Maybe this was related to the Portuguese military who were apparently there in some capacity? On the other hand, the source also states Dili wasn't meant to be the new capital until the Governor liked the lay of the land, and that it remained a "simple parade ground" for a few decades, suggesting very little pre-existing settlement. CMD (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "In 1769, seeking to break the influence of powerful local families in Lifau..." See WP:EASTEREGG
 * Could you clarify on why you feel this is an easter egg? I don't think an English reader will get much out of "Topasses", and the pipe describes what they were, powerful local families. CMD (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * An "easter egg" in Wikipedia is a link that leads to an article that is not what the raw text says, such as using a generalization like this one. It's easy to fix, just write something like "...the influence of the Topasses, powerful local families, in Lifau..." Cambalachero (talk) 04:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the content of what WP:EASTEREGG says, but I would not agree that link leads somewhere unexpected. I've rewritten the sentence to perhaps better capture Topasses in plain text, as a collective name. CMD (talk) 07:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "In 1844 Timor, along with Macau and Solor, was removed from the jurisdiction of Portuguese India" And to which jurisdiction were they transferred to? I don't they granted them independence.
 * They were separated into their own jurisdiction, I have tweaked. CMD (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't assume that the reader knows who is Alfred Russel Wallace. Prefacing with name with "English naturalist and explorer" would give a bit of context.
 * Done CMD (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Destruction, reconstruction, and Indonesian rule
 * Link to Surrender of Japan
 * Done. CMD (talk) 08:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Timor has some WWII-era photos that may be relevant for this section
 * Found File:1943-02-18 AERIAL VIEW OF A JAPANESE TRANSPORT SHIP IN THE HARBOUR OF DILI.JPG in commons which is nice as you can see Dili, also added File:Monument, Jardim 5 de Maio, Dili, 2018 (01).jpg. CMD (talk) 08:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "A 1950 census found the municipal population was 442,378..." Raw numbers are a bit meaningless here. How does that number compare to the pre-war population? Mostly the same? Two thirds? A half? A third?
 * Which was exactly the difference between "civilized" and "uncivilized" natives? By context, it sounds as some sort of legally-enforced segregation, not just a mere "those natives know how to read and write, those others don't". Is that the case?
 * "...although despite being made citizens of Portugal this did not bring the locals any political power." And why was that?
 * I have sought to address the above three points together by reorganising the subsection into a more thematic order rather than strictly chronological. There is now one paragraph providing the numbers in context with each other to see the growth during this period, which includes a brief explanation of civilised (not full segregation exactly but more towards that end than just being able to read and write), another on the political developments which I expanded a bit more to note continuing restrictions on local participation, and one grouping together all urban planning and infrastructure expansion. CMD (talk) 08:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Growth under UN rule and independence
 * "...and a baby boom driven by the country having the highest fertility rate in the world"

Will continue later Cambalachero (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)